Stripping

1. N80Jamie Established Member Joined: Nov 2009 Telford Posts: 1331 EP82 Starlet GT

   #1 27th February 2010, 15:52

   I was thinking today of stripping most of my car and just wanted to know if there is much point (any noticeable difference). Id be totally stripping the back (seats, carpet, sound proofing, rear cards, spare wheel etc) and taking the door cards off the front. Would there be much point of this or should i just keep it all in?
2. Quick Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2003 United Kingdom (England) Posts: 7064

   #2 27th February 2010, 15:55

   Do you use the car daily?
   Do you carry rear passingers?
   Are you planning to keep the car or sell it on in the future?
   Are you shaving every last kilo?
   Do you like a noisy car?
   
   Ask yourself these questions, to make up your mind!
3. N80Jamie Established Member Joined: Nov 2009 Telford Posts: 1331 EP82 Starlet GT

   #3 27th February 2010, 15:59

   I realise stripping has its downsides but i will be keeping all the parts i take out and putting them back in for re-sale. I just wanted to know if taking out the parts i listed above will make any difference to perfomance at all, if not ill keep everything as it is
4. user_37932 Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2009 blackpool Posts: 745 clio 182 1998 saxo vts

   #4 27th February 2010, 16:01

   the back end goes very light on cornering
5. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

   #5 27th February 2010, 16:32

   Dont bother imo.

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6. N80Jamie Established Member Joined: Nov 2009 Telford Posts: 1331 EP82 Starlet GT

   #6 27th February 2010, 16:47

   hmm, think ill leave it for now then. Cheers for the replys
7. user_39613 Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 Essex Posts: 1006

   #7 27th February 2010, 17:40

   Its worthwhile if done properly, does make quite a difference.
8. Ashleyp Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2008 Bedford & Manchester Posts: 17504

   #8 27th February 2010, 17:47

   stripping will ruin your chances of getting a respectable girlfriend lol
   
   to see any real benefit youd have to remove everything other than your seat, steering wheel, dashboard and pedals
9. N80Jamie Established Member Joined: Nov 2009 Telford Posts: 1331 EP82 Starlet GT

   #9 27th February 2010, 17:54

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Ashleyp stripping will ruin your chances of getting a respectable girlfriend lol to see any real benefit youd have to remove everything other than your seat, steering wheel, dashboard and pedals

   yee i had complaints from my girlfriend even with just the back seats out haha (was doing work on the boot so needed the extra room, not thinking taking out the back seats would give me +50bhp haha)
10. user_39613 Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 Essex Posts: 1006

    #10 27th February 2010, 17:59

    Unless you really want to have a stripped car just leave it how it is, they do get hard to use everyday. Once stripped though (providing you done it properly) it would be impossible to put back to standard.
11. adam19 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182

    #11 28th February 2010, 13:28

    mines partly stripped, seats spare wheel all out, and can the a slight difference, and where its not all stripped wont be hard to put back to normal. i never carry passengers in the back as the car is too low for any weight in the back, so as i dont carry passengers in back, there was no use for seats so decided to take out,
    girlfriend doesnt mind either
12. Tufty Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Watford Posts: 2033 Black Furio, Amazon Green VT-S Road Beast

    #12 28th February 2010, 13:45

    Well, i can answer this, i stripped my car the other week out for a good hoover, i had to take it for a little spin.
    
    Pulled very strongly, and you can certainly tell the difference! But when i went to turn a corner the back end hopped out so easily (i was not even pushing it) So if you are going to do it an ace suspension set up would defo be on the list... Its just not safe!!
13. N80Jamie Established Member Joined: Nov 2009 Telford Posts: 1331 EP82 Starlet GT

    #13 28th February 2010, 15:42

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tufty Well, i can answer this, i stripped my car the other week out for a good hoover, i had to take it for a little spin. Pulled very strongly, and you can certainly tell the difference! But when i went to turn a corner the back end hopped out so easily (i was not even pushing it) So if you are going to do it an ace suspension set up would defo be on the list... Its just not safe!!

    Thats my main put off tbh. I had my spare wheel and the back fully stripped for a while and the back end kept on stepping out and put me off having a little fun through the corners =\
14. adam19 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182

    #14 28th February 2010, 15:45

    my back end seems to be ok when going round corners
15. JamesRm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR

    #15 28th February 2010, 15:48

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by adam19 my back end seems to be ok when going round corners

    Same here, noticed no difference at all tbh (All i have removed is spare wheel and seats though)
16. adam19 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182

    #16 28th February 2010, 15:51

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Saxo_vtr Same here, noticed no difference at all tbh (All i have removed is spare wheel and seats though)

    exactly what ive removed mate
17. tobyk Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2008 Aberdeenshire Posts: 129 Mk2 Golf GTI 16v Mk3 Golf GTI 8v

    #17 28th February 2010, 15:52

    As long as you have some sense of throttle control/driving skill I wouldn't worry about the back end stepping out.
18. N80Jamie Established Member Joined: Nov 2009 Telford Posts: 1331 EP82 Starlet GT

    #18 28th February 2010, 15:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by adam19 my back end seems to be ok when going round corners

    Uve got to consider how low your car is at the back though. The lower you go on the rear, the less oversteer you should get on cornering.
19. tobyk Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2008 Aberdeenshire Posts: 129 Mk2 Golf GTI 16v Mk3 Golf GTI 8v

    #19 28th February 2010, 15:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SheldonStyles Uve got to consider how low your car is at the back though. The lower you go on the rear, the less oversteer you should get on cornering.

    Who told you that?
20. adam19 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182

    #20 28th February 2010, 15:54

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SheldonStyles Uve got to consider how low your car is at the back though. The lower you go on the rear, the less oversteer you should get on cornering.

    mines lowered 70mm on back
21. adam19 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182

    #21 28th February 2010, 15:54

    can you get oversteer on the back ?
22. N80Jamie Established Member Joined: Nov 2009 Telford Posts: 1331 EP82 Starlet GT

    #22 28th February 2010, 15:56

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tobyk Who told you that?

    What do you mean who told me? why does that matter. If the rear of your car is very low and/or lower than the front you should/will reduce oversteer but increase understeer. If your car is lower on the front than the rear you should see more oversteer and less underster.
23. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #23 28th February 2010, 15:57

    All or nothing. Tbh there is less than 10 people on this site who can justify nothing
24. tobyk Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2008 Aberdeenshire Posts: 129 Mk2 Golf GTI 16v Mk3 Golf GTI 8v

    #24 28th February 2010, 15:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SheldonStyles What do you mean who told me? why does that matter. If the rear of your car is very low and/or lower than the front you should/will reduce oversteer but increase understeer. If your car is lower on the front than the rear you should see more oversteer and less underster.

    Fair enough but it's not as simple as that, yes adjusting the height does affect corner weights, but spring/torsion bar ratings are just as important.
25. N80Jamie Established Member Joined: Nov 2009 Telford Posts: 1331 EP82 Starlet GT

    #25 28th February 2010, 16:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tobyk Fair enough but it's not as simple as that, yes adjusting the height does affect corner weights, but spring/torsion bar ratings are just as important.

    Yee i know that im just saying that the lower rear end will take a bit of play from the rear end during cornering
26. user_39821 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2009 Uckfield, East Sussex Posts: 3362 Citroen saxo 1.4 furio

    #26 28th February 2010, 16:01

    To reduce oversteer powering through and out of corner's you need rear higher. This allows the back to dip under acceleration giving more grip to the back end. this makes the rear slip angle smaller, thus reducing educing oversteer. that's why drag racing cars have their rear end's so high, gives grip off the line
27. N80Jamie Established Member Joined: Nov 2009 Telford Posts: 1331 EP82 Starlet GT

    #27 28th February 2010, 16:03

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by adamskiTNR To reduce oversteer powering through and out of corner's you need rear higher. This allows the back to dip under acceleration giving more grip to the back end. this makes the rear slip angle smaller, thus reducing educing oversteer. that's why drag racing cars have their rear end's so high, gives grip off the line

    wrong (i think )
    http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...04#post1751604
    Read.
28. tobyk Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2008 Aberdeenshire Posts: 129 Mk2 Golf GTI 16v Mk3 Golf GTI 8v

    #28 28th February 2010, 16:05

    SheldonStyles - OK cool, just thought I'd add my 2p.
    
    
    adamskiTNR - Yes, but you've also got to watch out the rear end isn't too soft, else you'll lift an inside front wheel under hard cornering. Really, you want the rear pretty damn stiff (within reason) on a Saxo, if it lifts an inside rear wheel then it's spot on, anything to get weight over the front wheels exiting a corner.
29. tobyk Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2008 Aberdeenshire Posts: 129 Mk2 Golf GTI 16v Mk3 Golf GTI 8v

    #29 28th February 2010, 16:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SheldonStyles wrong (i think ) http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...04#post1751604 Read.

    To be fair that completely counteracts your own point and backs up adamski's and mine - it says by shifting the CoG to the rear (ie, dropping the rear end on it's hoop) you'll reduce understeer, and therefore increase oversteer. I don't see how that chart is correct, it contradicts itself.
30. N80Jamie Established Member Joined: Nov 2009 Telford Posts: 1331 EP82 Starlet GT

    #30 28th February 2010, 16:08

    If you read that page it says to reduce you car oversteering you must lower the rear end? Am i blind or am i the only person reading correctly lol
31. tobyk Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2008 Aberdeenshire Posts: 129 Mk2 Golf GTI 16v Mk3 Golf GTI 8v

    #31 28th February 2010, 16:09

    No you are reading it correctly, I was just being an idiot and not reading it properly lol
32. N80Jamie Established Member Joined: Nov 2009 Telford Posts: 1331 EP82 Starlet GT

    #32 28th February 2010, 16:12

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tobyk No you are reading it correctly, I was just being an idiot and not reading it properly lol

    haha thats the information i was trying to put across. So, if the rear end of a standard height saxo has been stripped it will suffer from oversteer more than the same car but with a lowered rear end. There is some sense in what ive been saying i just dont word it very well
33. adam19 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182

    #33 28th February 2010, 16:14

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SheldonStyles haha thats the information i was trying to put across. So, if the rear end of a standard height saxo has been stripped it will suffer from oversteer more than the same car but with a lowered rear end. There is some sense in what ive been saying i just dont word it very well

    did this time
34. tobyk Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2008 Aberdeenshire Posts: 129 Mk2 Golf GTI 16v Mk3 Golf GTI 8v

    #34 28th February 2010, 16:15

    Yep spot on!
35. N80Jamie Established Member Joined: Nov 2009 Telford Posts: 1331 EP82 Starlet GT

    #35 28th February 2010, 16:18

    I got there evantually
36. user_39821 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2009 Uckfield, East Sussex Posts: 3362 Citroen saxo 1.4 furio

    #36 28th February 2010, 16:24

    I'll still stick with basic physics lol. I'm guessing that in a stripped saxo it is so nose heavy that lowering the rear is necessary to shift the C of G backwards adding weight to the rear.
    I'm used to tuning mid engined race cars lol, never done geometry set up of a fwd.
37. N80Jamie Established Member Joined: Nov 2009 Telford Posts: 1331 EP82 Starlet GT

    #37 28th February 2010, 16:38

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by adamskiTNR I'll still stick with basic physics lol. I'm guessing that in a stripped saxo it is so nose heavy that lowering the rear is necessary to shift the C of G backwards adding weight to the rear. I'm used to tuning mid engined race cars lol, never done geometry set up of a fwd.

    correct yes, the rear end will need lowering to counter act the weight lost and sort out the C of G
38. user_39821 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2009 Uckfield, East Sussex Posts: 3362 Citroen saxo 1.4 furio

    #38 28th February 2010, 18:33

    Actually come to think of it, if you imagine the car's ride height as a beam, perfectly level is the most rear biased the C of G can be
39. 3cott Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2008 Rotherham Posts: 4614 Black mk2 vts

    #39 28th February 2010, 19:07

    All ive got in my car at the mo is a dash & bucketseat
    An i fu*kin love it
40. TheSmith L-plater Joined: May 2009 Posts: 84 Green Saxo 1.1 2001

    #40 28th February 2010, 20:58

    how much weight can be shed from striping a saxo to a reasonable standard i.e with dash still in and carpets removed?