car not starting, loud noise (with video)

1. saxo_mike Established Member Joined: Mar 2008 Heald Green, Stockport Posts: 1721 black/yellow vtr

   #1 5th March 2010, 12:09

   put everythin back together after gearbox swap
   
   when i turn keys it just makes a massive wurring noise and does nothing
   
   
   
   anyone shed any light on this?
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oC6Vlh684A
2. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #2 5th March 2010, 12:15

   starter motor - your's bolted on all okay ? etc
   
   mine occasionally does this
   
   I've got a new starter motor to go on at some point
3. saxo_mike Established Member Joined: Mar 2008 Heald Green, Stockport Posts: 1721 black/yellow vtr

   #3 5th March 2010, 12:17

   its fully bolted on mate , never had an issue before
   
   getting really fustrated now lol
   
   what could it be doing that isn't starting, does it have to be lined up with the fly wheel a certain way?
4. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

   #4 5th March 2010, 12:50

   thats the starter motor solenoid dead. new starter motor job done. i have a very good one going cheap
5. saxo_mike Established Member Joined: Mar 2008 Heald Green, Stockport Posts: 1721 black/yellow vtr

   #5 5th March 2010, 13:09

   fuckkkkkk
   
   how has it died i literally havn't done a thing to it
   
   how much are they mate
6. chester-lad Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 531 saxo vtr

   #6 5th March 2010, 14:55

   have you tried hitting starter with a hammer.?
7. holdawayt Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2010 Stourbridge Posts: 7338 Nissan 200sx S14a

   #7 5th March 2010, 14:57

   could it also be a worn flywheel?
   
   ie. the starter motor is slipping over the new flywheel?
8. Matts-VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2009 Presteigne, Powys Posts: 736 96' clio 16v / 93' clio williams 1 / 00' saxo vtr.

   #8 5th March 2010, 15:12

   Plenty of life in the battery and the starter is earthed properly and connected etc?
   
   Mine occasionally does this because the earth is loose and i never seem to find the time to tighten the nut lol.
   
   If you do replace your starter motor i have one for £20 posted btw but i dont think thats the problem.
9. Matts-VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2009 Presteigne, Powys Posts: 736 96' clio 16v / 93' clio williams 1 / 00' saxo vtr.

   #9 5th March 2010, 15:14

   Edit after watching the vid****
   
   
   Pop the car into gear and rock the car with the handbrake off, sounds like the starter isn't engaging properly at all!
   
   att
10. saxo_mike Established Member Joined: Mar 2008 Heald Green, Stockport Posts: 1721 black/yellow vtr

    #10 5th March 2010, 15:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Matts-VTR Edit after watching the vid**** Pop the car into gear and rock the car with the handbrake off, sounds like the starter isn't engaging properly at all! att

    what would that do lol , i took it back off and it looks fine , the wheels still moves fine
11. holdawayt Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2010 Stourbridge Posts: 7338 Nissan 200sx S14a

    #11 5th March 2010, 15:48

    it would turn the flywheel slightly onto an unworn bit and then the starter should grip and you're away.
12. Matts-VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2009 Presteigne, Powys Posts: 736 96' clio 16v / 93' clio williams 1 / 00' saxo vtr.

    #12 5th March 2010, 15:52

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by holdawayt it would turn the flywheel slightly onto an unworn bit and then the starter should grip and you're away.

    It would do this and help the starter mesh onto the flywheel.
    
    106 1.1 i bought from an auction once had this same problem.
13. holdawayt Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2010 Stourbridge Posts: 7338 Nissan 200sx S14a

    #13 5th March 2010, 15:59

    my fiesta did, replaced the starter motor and that helped but still had to replace flywheel as it persisted. was constantly asking people to rock me on carparks haha.
    
    
    
    sounds so wrong but you get the idea
14. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #14 5th March 2010, 16:04

    flywheel will be fine, simply swap the starter motor. It could be a bad earth but unlikely. £28 delivered for a 42K MINT starter motor
15. saxo_mike Established Member Joined: Mar 2008 Heald Green, Stockport Posts: 1721 black/yellow vtr

    #15 5th March 2010, 16:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sparco_Tom flywheel will be fine, simply swap the starter motor. It could be a bad earth but unlikely. £28 delivered for a 42K MINT starter motor

    kk mate i'll have that one then , is there any reason why it's all of a sudden stopped working literally never had a single issue with it
16. Stevo123 Established Member Joined: Apr 2009 Redcar Posts: 1971 2000 Posi Blue vtr

    #16 5th March 2010, 19:49

    Same problem with my old 205 (tu engine), put car in gear and roll it a bit then fine. I was convinced it was a worn flywheel but now after a few years experience it could bell be a starter motor issue as well. As above, turn engine a fe degrees and try again but you might as well put a new starter on because it will only get worse.
17. -Donkei- Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2008 Amesbury Posts: 710

    #17 5th March 2010, 19:53

    imo doesnt sound like something is earthed properly which is why its not starting, starter motor seems fine as you can here it trying to crank the engine over
18. saxo_mike Established Member Joined: Mar 2008 Heald Green, Stockport Posts: 1721 black/yellow vtr

    #18 5th March 2010, 21:26

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by -Donkei- imo doesnt sound like something is earthed properly which is why its not starting, starter motor seems fine as you can here it trying to crank the engine over

    the only earth is on the gearbox that i know of?
19. lucyislay Newbie Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 3

    #19 5th March 2010, 21:57

    its unlikely that the starter has just packed up after changing the clutch, have you connected the two lives in the right place there should be a chunky cable to the starter and a thinner one to the solenoid {sounds like this isnt connected properly}. I no its probably obvious but did you disconnect battery before starting the job {fuses}
20. saxo_mike Established Member Joined: Mar 2008 Heald Green, Stockport Posts: 1721 black/yellow vtr

    #20 5th March 2010, 22:02

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lucyislay its unlikely that the starter has just packed up after changing the clutch, have you connected the two lives in the right place there should be a chunky cable to the starter and a thinner one to the solenoid {sounds like this isnt connected properly}. I no its probably obvious but did you disconnect battery before starting the job {fuses}

    
    there are 2 connected to the bigger bolt (13mm bolt) and one connected to the smaller bolt(8mm)
    
    battery was first thing to come out so all fuses should be fine
21. lucyislay Newbie Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 3

    #21 6th March 2010, 18:56

    it is very unlikely the starter has died i wouldn't by one yet
    
    if i remember correctly the two wires that go on together have different sized holes in the ferrule check they are on the right way.
    
    you could take the starter back out and test the solenoid for operation with some jump leads
22. saxo_mike Established Member Joined: Mar 2008 Heald Green, Stockport Posts: 1721 black/yellow vtr

    #22 7th March 2010, 12:04

    after lots of messing around i got it started , and it won;t start again now lol
23. PUG1OFF Regular Poster Joined: Jul 2009 chorley lancashire pr7 Posts: 401 106 s2 gti turbo,46k quicky,caddy van vr6, and a w

    #23 7th March 2010, 12:35

    remove and replace your starter just to make sure you didnt mis anything
24. saxo_mike Established Member Joined: Mar 2008 Heald Green, Stockport Posts: 1721 black/yellow vtr

    #24 7th March 2010, 13:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PUG1OFF remove and replace your starter just to make sure you didnt mis anything

    have done lol , whats to miss
    
    1small wire to the small bolt
    
    1 large wire from battery to the large bolt
    1 medium sized wire to the large bolt ,
    
    earth to gearbox
    
    3 bolts holding it on
25. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #25 7th March 2010, 13:37

    time for the new motor now
26. saxo_mike Established Member Joined: Mar 2008 Heald Green, Stockport Posts: 1721 black/yellow vtr

    #26 7th March 2010, 15:11

    just got it going again and it drove amazing much more responsive than before, stopped on drive , started it again no problem, stopped , and it wouldn't start lol
    
    
    pm me your palpay tom lol
27. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #27 7th March 2010, 15:16

    ok will do
28. vikingdave Newbie Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18

    #28 7th March 2010, 17:02

    will it start with a bump start ?
29. saxo_mike Established Member Joined: Mar 2008 Heald Green, Stockport Posts: 1721 black/yellow vtr

    #29 7th March 2010, 17:23

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vikingdave will it start with a bump start ?

    nope tryed a million times lol
30. lucyislay Newbie Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 3

    #30 7th March 2010, 18:12

    well if it wont bump its not going to be the starter
31. chris088 Newbie Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 26

    #31 7th March 2010, 19:25

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxo_mike nope tryed a million times lol

    
    Its nwt 2 do with ur starter motor if it wont bump start m8
32. saxo_mike Established Member Joined: Mar 2008 Heald Green, Stockport Posts: 1721 black/yellow vtr

    #32 7th March 2010, 19:50

    right what do you mean by bump start?
33. holdawayt Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2010 Stourbridge Posts: 7338 Nissan 200sx S14a

    #33 7th March 2010, 20:21

    push it down a whacking great hill with ignition on, clutch engaged, gear 1, when upto decent speed disengage the clutch and it'll turn the engine over and probably start.
    
    As said before, i had this problem with my fiesta. replaced the starter motor, it would work sometimes and other times it wouldnt. There was a flat spot on the flywheel meaning that sometimes it gripped and sometimes it didnt.
    
    i seriously think this is your problem. I've had this for 3 years and the flywheel fixed it. same noises as yours makes and same symptoms.
    
    Just my input but i'm only a "newbie" so think of it what you will.
    
    tom
34. saxo_mike Established Member Joined: Mar 2008 Heald Green, Stockport Posts: 1721 black/yellow vtr

    #34 7th March 2010, 20:26

    i'm checked the whole wheel manually mate and there aren't any damaged teeth on it
    
    i'll see how far i get bump startin tomorrow but starter will hopefully do it
35. holdawayt Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2010 Stourbridge Posts: 7338 Nissan 200sx S14a

    #35 7th March 2010, 20:32

    fair enough! no idea then buddy!
    bump start might help though. do you understand how to do it now i've explained roughly?
    
    tom
36. vikingdave Newbie Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18

    #36 7th March 2010, 20:47

    i would bump it in 2nd gear as well if it does start then u probley got a faulty starter motor ')