New cams for a 1.4 furio

6th March 2010, 14:37

Hey there , just been on kam racing and seen the newman cams for my furio , i always see peoples threads with cammed and mapped 1.4 or vtr , just wondering how much power / torque i'd be getting if i got the newman cams and a remap , i've also got a cold air induction and cat back system , just wondering with a remap what sort of gains that would produce ?? thanks

6th March 2010, 14:41

Been looking around other threads and i've seen roughly 15bhp ??

6th March 2010, 15:33

yer it ent as much as what most people think

6th March 2010, 16:55

about 15bhp after a decent map

mine hasnt had one yet but that would be the biggest gains

6th March 2010, 18:35

really isnt worth doing unless your keeping within regs for some form of competition

8th March 2010, 11:38

well i didn't think it would be , but i mean i spose it's about 500 for the cams and a decent rolling road remap with breathing mods, dunno if i can justify spending that amount of money for that amound of power , don't know if i'm going to keep it yet , i want it to be quicker but 500 ... i dunnooo ??

8th March 2010, 11:40

Just to clarify you wont needs cams for a furio you will need a single cam.. 8 valve.

8th March 2010, 11:41

Samuel jon Burgess ..do you think it made a big improvement to it or not really ?? what other sorts of mods do you have ??

8th March 2010, 11:42

i know when i say cams.. i meant cam.. obv only got one cam shaft lol

8th March 2010, 11:45

Personally wouldn't bother camming a 1.4 furio, Probably would sound cool and be reasonably quick but i'd just keep the money and save for something that produces more power stock to work on.. At least then if you were to buy a gti/vts in the future your gains would be a damn sight better than a furio.

8th March 2010, 11:50

yeahh thing is i'm only 17 ,, for me to insure a vts would cost about 6k !!! if i cahnge my internals and dnt tell my insurance company then it would only cost me the same,, not that i would obviously do sometihng illegal like that ...

8th March 2010, 12:12

Unfourtunetly being young and having the bad rep which 17 year olds get when driving... its basicly impossible to get anything remotely quick from stock ... unless you make about 100k a year and even then i wouldn't justify spending 6000 on insuring a vts when it would only be worth a 6th of that , damn for about 4 grand i could get a turbo conversion , forged internals , cams a remap and a decat and be making more power than a vts and only be paying 1000 for insurance still, saving myself 1000

8th March 2010, 15:56

it goes well but i havnt had a map yet.... its never goin to as fast as a vts.... but ive had it dynoed and its runnin 87bhp

the cars got a cda air box, race land manifold, straight pipes, catcams cam (cant remember what one)

and its now got a vtr inlet mani and saving up for a map

8th March 2010, 16:33

87bhp before a remap is pretty good !!

how much have you spent roughly ? after a remap you shud get alot more outta that , i expect you cud be at bout 100 bhp maybe , beaten any vtr's ? also what sorta rpm does all the power come in and when does it start to drop off ? mine dies off atm at bout 5000rpm and kicks in at bout 2,500 - 3000 rpm

8th March 2010, 16:37

there isnt many vtrs around here, not that ive raced anyway lol

it keeps up with decent stuff mates got a mk6 ztec s thats runnin 132bhp and it keep up with that

iam aiming for about 100-110bhp

and i havnt properly looked at where it kicks in etc

8th March 2010, 16:40

wow thats pretty impressive

i would love to get mine up to 100bhp at least , atm i got a decent cold air intake on a cone filter and also got a brand new centre pipe and ashley backbox , already felt a boost , am thinking about getting a 4-2-1 mani end of the month and then possibly newmans cams and a remap next month... how much did you pay for your cams ? and what sort of a boost did you get from the vtr inlet mani ?

8th March 2010, 16:46

about 300£ for the cams + about 200£ to fit as i couldnt be bothered to do it myself

and the vtr inlet has been a pain since i put it on... it seems to go well now

just a bit more torque

8th March 2010, 16:49

thats cool

just wondering.. what have your mot's been like since the cams .. couldn't remember if they altered the emissions or not ??

8th March 2010, 16:52

Why dont you do the sensible thing and leave the furio standard?

you can then sell it on for a good price in a year or 2 and buy a vts

stripping / modding a car just makes it a lot harder to sell

you say you dont want the cost of vts insurance, yet you'll happily spend well over 1k modding the 1.4 engine for it to still be slower than the 1.6 16v

+ whatever mods you do still have to be told to your insurance company

Is it just me or have you not let common sence enter your mind during this decision?

8th March 2010, 16:57

i have but has it occured to you that no one can afford to spend a couple of grand out right in one go ?? what ever happened to modding and doing stuff bit by bit as you can afford it ?? i havnt said i'm definetly going to do any of these things but i just wanted an idea of the sort of performance gains i'd get, tbh when i can afford the insurance for a vts i'll probly get a different car all together, probably a 1.9 tdi pd 115 bora , it will have more torque and power after a remap, be safer, more fuel effiecient... ALTHOUGH for the time being i am only 17, so modding bit by bit to put a bit of a smile on my face is what i am after, just by doing my induction and cat back its made a good difference.. so these otehr mods would keep me happy until i get another car.

8th March 2010, 17:00

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Originally Posted by MiDnighTcLuB

i have but has it occured to you that no one can afford to spend a couple of grand out right in one go ?? what ever happened to modding and doing stuff bit by bit as you can afford it ?? i havnt said i'm definetly going to do any of these things but i just wanted an idea of the sort of performance gains i'd get, tbh when i can afford the insurance for a vts i'll probly get a different car all together, probably a 1.9 tdi pd 115 bora , it will have more torque and power after a remap, be safer, more fuel effiecient... ALTHOUGH for the time being i am only 17, so modding bit by bit to put a bit of a smile on my face is what i am after, just by doing my induction and cat back its made a good difference.. so these otehr mods would keep me happy until i get another car.

So thats a no then, common sence hasnt been used lol

obviously theres always a car better than what you have. but it really is pissing into the wind and spending so much on a 1.4 engine.

your far better off just saving the cash and putting it towards whatever car you get in the future.

ask anyone on here thats had lesser model cars and modded them, then upgraded to the 16v. they will tell you that it was a waste of cash modding the previous car for performance purposes.

edit: if your heart is set on modding the car, then sort the handling. a car that handles well is better than a car with slightly more power. you can then 16v it at a later date if you still desire power

8th March 2010, 17:01

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Originally Posted by Krys_23

Just to clarify you wont needs cams for a furio you will need a single cam.. 8 valve.

actually he needs a single cam shaft
theres 8 cams in there though one per valve

8th March 2010, 17:02

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Originally Posted by Ashleyp

So thats a no then, common sence hasnt been used lol

obviously theres always a car better than what you have. but it really is pissing into the wind and spending so much on a 1.4 engine.

your far better off just saving the cash and putting it towards whatever car you get in the future.

ask anyone on here thats had lesser model cars and modded them, then upgraded to the 16v. they will tell you that it was a waste of cash modding the previous car for performance purposes.

Couldn't agree more

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Originally Posted by AlexB

actually he needs a single cam shaft
theres 8 cams in there though one per valve

Do 8 cams give me more power?

8th March 2010, 17:11

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Originally Posted by Ashleyp

So thats a no then, common sence hasnt been used lol

obviously theres always a car better than what you have. but it really is pissing into the wind and spending so much on a 1.4 engine.

your far better off just saving the cash and putting it towards whatever car you get in the future.

ask anyone on here thats had lesser model cars and modded them, then upgraded to the 16v. they will tell you that it was a waste of cash modding the previous car for performance purposes.

I never actally said i'm going to spend 1000 on my 1.4 .. i was asking what sort of mods would get me the most power , cams and a remap for example , realisticly i am not going to mod my saxo beyond a decat i expect obv with the current mods that i have , and i will save for a bora, because when i remap it it will have 148 bhp and 326 nm of torque / lbft i cant remember which ... either way it'll still be cheaper to insure than a vts , i have used common sense hence why i know i cannot POSSIBLY insure a vts atm , so if i spend a couple of hundred quid on making my 1.4 faster just tp keep me happy till i flog it and get something better , whats wrong with that ?? i get fed up of people basicly constantly telling other people basicly .. your 1.4 is shite go and get a vts when they are still only young , thats bad advice not only because they will probly kill themselves going from 75bhp to 125bhp but also because there is no fun in making something slow faster , the thing is thoguh... if you spoke to someone with a skyline or a bmw 328i .. they would say that all people who upgrade saxo's are stupid because whats the point of upgrading a 1.6 16v ? you might aswell go get a 2.0 litre beamer straight 6 .. do you see my point now ??

8th March 2010, 17:14

just seen your edit , atm i've got it lowered 40 mm all round on coilovers and the only thing which lets go in the corners is my seats holding my ass in lol ... furio interior isn't very body hugging to say the least , but at least i havnt got the zoo looking gay interior so its not too bad, vtr interior needed tho

8th March 2010, 17:15

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Originally Posted by MiDnighTcLuB

I never actally said i'm going to spend 1000 on my 1.4 .. i was asking what sort of mods would get me the most power , cams and a remap for example , realisticly i am not going to mod my saxo beyond a decat i expect obv with the current mods that i have , and i will save for a bora, because when i remap it it will have 148 bhp and 326 nm of torque / lbft i cant remember which ... either way it'll still be cheaper to insure than a vts , i have used common sense hence why i know i cannot POSSIBLY insure a vts atm , so if i spend a couple of hundred quid on making my 1.4 faster just tp keep me happy till i flog it and get something better , whats wrong with that ?? i get fed up of people basicly constantly telling other people basicly .. your 1.4 is shite go and get a vts when they are still only young , thats bad advice not only because they will probly kill themselves going from 75bhp to 125bhp but also because there is no fun in making something slow faster , the thing is thoguh... if you spoke to someone with a skyline or a bmw 328i .. they would say that all people who upgrade saxo's are stupid because whats the point of upgrading a 1.6 16v ? you might aswell go get a 2.0 litre beamer straight 6 .. do you see my point now ??

That was an epic ballache to read

lol

i never said go out and get a vts. i said dont waste your cash on the 1.4 and save it towards another car in a few years time, whatever it may be.

saxo VTS dont have 125bhp btw.

obviously there are better cars than saxos, nobody has denied that. but realistically if your mind is set on modding a saxo than the 16v is the only good route to take.

just enjoy the current car for what it is. its never going to be amazing. just go out and have some fun whilst learning to drive it properly. your 17 so still need to gain lots of experience on the roads, hence the cost of vts insurance for you

8th March 2010, 17:19

yeahh my bad ... i havnt had a good rant in ages lol ... just needed to get across what i was thinking lol ... okay 120 bhp whatever... haha .. anywhooo.. i just want to mod it a bit or at least enuff to keep me happy , i dnt wanna be waiting 7 months wishing for a faster car the whole time , so by modding a bit it just keeps me happy because i can feel its faster, then in 6 months i can get whatever i want in reason because i get my 1 years driving and 1 years no claims then also

.. i know no way will i spend like 1000 on my saxo , it has only cost me that in total .. minus suspension.. i bought it damaged if you we're wondering why it is sooo cheap... 51 plate only done 68k on the clock ... i think a decat will keep me interested in it until i can save enuff for a meatier car

8th March 2010, 17:21

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Originally Posted by MiDnighTcLuB

yeahh my bad ... i havnt had a good rant in ages lol ... just needed to get across what i was thinking lol ... okay 120 bhp whatever... haha .. anywhooo.. i just want to mod it a bit or at least enuff to keep me happy , i dnt wanna be waiting 7 months wishing for a faster car the whole time , so by modding a bit it just keeps me happy because i can feel its faster, then in 6 months i can get whatever i want in reason because i get my 1 years driving and 1 years no claims then also

.. i know no way will i spend like 1000 on my saxo , it has only cost me that in total .. minus suspension.. i bought it damaged if you we're wondering why it is sooo cheap... 51 plate only done 68k on the clock ... i think a decat will keep me interested in it until i can save enuff for a meatier car

Just enjoy learning to drive it then

theres a reason they try to discourage young people from getting powerful cars. and it's a pretty good reason too

8th March 2010, 17:35

its not about the BHP, its more about the torque and the peak power at certain revs, thats what your gain alot more of, once its fully stripped and you do the math theres alot more gains to be had

8th March 2010, 18:00

the emissions i have to take a few goddies down with me

8th March 2010, 18:12

what do you mean by goodies ?? lol a cat ?? and i'm still getting used to my car, only been driving on my own for 4-5 months now , just lusting that extra power lol, i expect i'll do a decat and leave it as that performance wise anyway, probly get some angel eyes as i have a broken'ish headlight anyway.. anyone selling sum cheap angel eyes ?? anywhooo i'ma just gonna pop out to get sum cable ties for my 150mm induction piping LOL

8th March 2010, 21:31

no just a crate of bear of somthin

8th March 2010, 21:54

hahaha ... i love that lol , i wish i had a centre like that down by me , just buy em a 6 pack then i won't have to put the cat back in lol

8th March 2010, 21:56

ye i done it last year, messed about putin the cat on and it still didnt pass and cost me 300£ so this year sorted it properly

8th March 2010, 22:30

i agree m8 its your car do what you want to it, if it makes you happy then its all good

8th March 2010, 22:30

nice one mate

i think i needa become a premium member lol i can't post pictures or anything

8th March 2010, 22:34

have you got any pics of your car on facebook?

8th March 2010, 23:27

Just made a progress thread mate

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=296783