1.4 Into a 1.1

1. user_39685 L-plater Joined: Dec 2009 Gilfach, Wales Posts: 98

   #1 8th March 2010, 19:04

   Hey guys how easy isit to drop a 1.4 engine into a 1.1 ?
   Things such as electrics...ecu, gearbox are they very similar ?
   will a 1.1 box work with a 1.4 engine and clutch ?
   and will it run off the same wiring loom as a 1.1 with a 1.4 ecu or would i need a new loom aswell ?
   The car is on an R it currently has a 1.1 black top init.
   
   Thanks alot
2. MiDnighTcLuB Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Weston-Super-Mare Posts: 672 Mapped 306 HDI

   #2 8th March 2010, 21:21

   if your gunna drop a 1.4 engine in it you might aswell just drop a vtr engine into it mate, and it depends what type of ecu plugs you have on both , etc 1 plug or 3 plug , obv that determines if the looms are different
3. user_39685 L-plater Joined: Dec 2009 Gilfach, Wales Posts: 98

   #3 8th March 2010, 21:44

   i realised that after, after reading another thread. i think i will tbh i do fancy a vtr and the mrs's has one aswell so would be kwl to take my car to that level.
   
   So if i got a 1 plug vtr lump with a 1 plug ecu and vtr box would i need to change hubs and struts ?
   and are the engine mountings the same ?
4. MiDnighTcLuB Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Weston-Super-Mare Posts: 672 Mapped 306 HDI

   #4 8th March 2010, 21:51

   as long as the drive shafts are the same thickness and length then it shouldn't need changing, as long as you've got a 1 plug loom then a one plug ecu and engine shud go straight in
5. ReadieeVTS Established Member Joined: May 2009 milton keynes Posts: 1084 saxo Mk1 westie VTS saxo mk2 VTR S1 106 16v

   #5 9th March 2010, 12:18

   you dont have to change the gearbox mate, it will be quite quick on acceleration but will be Sh*t top end... if you do change the gearbox make sure u get one out of the same year or mk preferably in which your car is a "r" reg so will be a mk1 box and driveshafts you need. hope this helps Lee
6. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

   #6 9th March 2010, 17:38

   it wont be shit top end just not as high. TBH 1.1 boxes are fine to use everyday
7. user_39685 L-plater Joined: Dec 2009 Gilfach, Wales Posts: 98

   #7 10th March 2010, 18:16

   my current engine is a black top, would i be better off gettin a blacktop vtr and box or do the silvertops come in one plugs aswell?
   Cheers
8. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

   #8 10th March 2010, 18:19

   stick with the blacktop, silvertops have a different fueling setup.
   Although both are single plug and will fit. The silvertop is just alot more messing about
9. Cammy Established Member Joined: Jul 2009 Aberdeen Posts: 2211

   #9 10th March 2010, 18:34

   Silvertops only give a little more power don't they, but black tops can have the rallye inlet which makes up for it
10. MiDnighTcLuB Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Weston-Super-Mare Posts: 672 Mapped 306 HDI

    #10 10th March 2010, 18:54

    silvertop vtr has 98bhp blacktop vtr has 90bhp,, baicly silver top is newer than black top
11. MiDnighTcLuB Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Weston-Super-Mare Posts: 672 Mapped 306 HDI

    #11 10th March 2010, 18:55

    i think that is corect anyway , please corect me if i am wrong
    ??
12. Cammy Established Member Joined: Jul 2009 Aberdeen Posts: 2211

    #12 10th March 2010, 19:06

    I think it's because the exhaust is more restrictive on the mk1 - not 100% sure
13. MiDnighTcLuB Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Weston-Super-Mare Posts: 672 Mapped 306 HDI

    #13 10th March 2010, 19:07

    if you pt a mk2 mani on , it doesn't make 8bhp more tho does it ??
14. ReadieeVTS Established Member Joined: May 2009 milton keynes Posts: 1084 saxo Mk1 westie VTS saxo mk2 VTR S1 106 16v

    #14 10th March 2010, 19:09

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MiDnighTcLuB i think that is corect anyway , please corect me if i am wrong ??

    The Late silvertop engines have 98bhp 2001> but the earlier silvertops 2000< have 90bhp too, cat under car single plug ecu, 98bhp silvertops have cat in the manifold 3 plig ecu
15. MiDnighTcLuB Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Weston-Super-Mare Posts: 672 Mapped 306 HDI

    #15 10th March 2010, 19:15

    why did they randomly change from 90 to 98 bhp then .. obv if they we're still silvetops ? was it purely because of teh restrictive mani and cat ?
16. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #16 10th March 2010, 20:40

    New inlet manifold exhaust manifold and ecu map
17. user_39685 L-plater Joined: Dec 2009 Gilfach, Wales Posts: 98

    #17 11th March 2010, 22:48

    i do believe the later 98 silvertops had a lot of fiddling with the fuel injection system and as said before the inlet manifold.
    Thanks for all your help guys, as suggested ill go for a vtr blacktop and box and start the modding from there