Rear Axle Neg camber

8th March 2010, 20:26

searched but didnt fit my problem.

Noticed the other day the VTR has a fair bit of negative camber on the rear axle (Discs) but it hasnt been lowered?!

someone on here said it may be bushes?

I dont want to replace the whole axle so if it is the bushes do Cit or anywhere else sell them? Dont mind taking it off to replace bushes.

Cheers

8th March 2010, 20:28

its the main beam bearing
and it is a whole replacement beam as the pin the bearing sits on gets damaged when they collapse

its a common fault im suprised a search didnt find any results

8th March 2010, 20:31

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Originally Posted by AlexB

its the main beam bearing
and it is a whole replacement beam as the pin the bearing sits on gets damaged when they collapse

its a common fault im suprised a search didnt find any results

Not with the bearing fault.
So the bearing has collapsed?
Shit,
guessing cit or pug dont sell them?

8th March 2010, 20:35

yer they sell em but they are expensive m8 just get a beam from a scrappy i have just got one off a mk2 coz it lower milage like good luck m8

8th March 2010, 20:39

The yellow part of the axle contains the bearings doesnt it? could i just get any old beam and replace? or does it have to run on off a GTi beam?
Thanks fro the help btw

8th March 2010, 20:46

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Originally Posted by AlixAutopsy

The yellow part of the axle contains the bearings doesnt it? could i just get any old beam and replace? or does it have to run on off a GTi beam?
Thanks fro the help btw

the yellow part has the pins
the bearings are in the arms
to get a new axle from cit/pug your looking best part of a 450 quid just for the yellow beam

didnt spot vtr or vts as the vts has abs so only an abs beam will work if you want to keep the abs like

there are a few lads on her (piggy123 comes to mind) who refurb beams for 300 quid (replace the pins with a press all new bearings hubs ect and paint they look like new)
or you could get one from a scrappy but it might not last very long

8th March 2010, 20:47

Trailing arms contain the bearings - the 'yellow part of the axle' has the two metal stub pins on each end, these will be pitted and shot if you have play/ camber.

You want the axle itself refurbed - i.e old stub pins removed, and new ones (jpsaxo and GMC Motorsport sell these I believe) pressed in. You need a large press for this so most people buy tend to buy a beam (without trailing arms) which has already been fitted with new stub pins.

Fit new bearings/ seals into your trailing arms, assemble the rest of the beam and you're good to go.

8th March 2010, 20:56

I can replace bearings,
SO
shopping list:
Bearings
Pins (that go through the yellow beam?!)
Seals?

Appreciate this

8th March 2010, 20:59

Eveerything you need for sale here:

http://www.imaxle.co.uk/catalog/citroen

8th March 2010, 21:00

better off buying a fully refurbed beam, as if your not doing it your self it will cost a bomb.

Pins you cant buy from citroen, you have to find someone to make you some and sell you them, then find somewhere with a big enough press to get them out and new ones in.

The torsion bars will have to come out, and the axle off the car to do it all.
Then some one to re fit it and fit the trailing arms and put torsion bars back in with teh arm at the correct height.

Seals come with the bearings in a kit, think i got mine for both sides £75 from andrew page or eurocarparts i cant really remember.

But if your buying a refurbed beam, changing the axle is a piss easy job.

8th March 2010, 21:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlixAutopsy

Pins (that go through the yellow beam?!)

to swap them you need at least a 60 tonne press man

8th March 2010, 21:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by db_sax

Eveerything you need for sale here:

http://www.imaxle.co.uk/catalog/citroen

http://www.imaxle.co.uk/catalog/refu...rear-axle-saxo

That a very good price imo.

8th March 2010, 21:04

discountings

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=276106

8th March 2010, 21:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexB

to swap them you need at least a 60 tonne press man

Work with tractors m8, not a problem

8th March 2010, 21:09

Im probably gonna get grilled fro this but what are the disadvantages of leaving it the way it is for now?

8th March 2010, 21:11

Gonna look at the refurb axle from imaxle looks a good price, will i be able to keep the discs from the old axle? (Probs ANOTHER stupid question)

8th March 2010, 21:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlixAutopsy

Work with tractors m8, not a problem

fair does then lol!

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlixAutopsy

Im probably gonna get grilled fro this but what are the disadvantages of leaving it the way it is for now?

it puts excess stress on the beam washer which can fail and the arm can fall off in the worst case scenario

8th March 2010, 21:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexB

fair does then lol!

it puts excess stress on the beam washer which can fail and the arm can fall off in the worst case scenario

....oh
Right ill stop asking questions in a minute

do i need a refurbished AXLE?
OR
BEAM?

Cheers guys

8th March 2010, 21:30

To sort the bearings out myself am i looking at getting this?

http://www.imaxle.co.uk/catalog/bear...b-pin-set-saxo

8th March 2010, 21:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlixAutopsy

....oh
Right ill stop asking questions in a minute

do i need a refurbished AXLE?
OR
BEAM?

Cheers guys

beam is the centre yellow bit
you need that refurbed
you can get the whole axle to save messing though

8th March 2010, 21:38

You can buy a refurbished beam (just the yellow bit and stub pins) and re-use your old trailing arms with new bearings/ seals fitted.

Or buy a refurbished axle with trailing arms and fit your rear brakes on.

8th March 2010, 21:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeeumH

You can buy a refurbished beam (just the yellow bit and stub pins) and re-use your old trailing arms with new bearings/ seals fitted.

Or buy a refurbished axle with trailing arms and fit your rear brakes on.

On Imaxle they sell new bearings, and stub pins. Couldnt I just remove the old bearings from the trailing arms, and stub pins from my original beam?
Am I right in thinking the stub pins are the two ends that the arms fit onto (with bearings) that attach to the hubs?

8th March 2010, 21:44

yea the stub pin is the bit the bearing sits on at the end of the beam

but there are 2 sets of stub pins on the axle make sure you get the ones for the beam not the ones for the hubs to go on

8th March 2010, 21:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexB

yea the stub pin is the bit the bearing sits on at the end of the beam

but there are 2 sets of stub pins on the axle make sure you get the ones for the beam not the ones for the hubs to go on

2 sets?
So theres a second set on the 'inside' of the beam? and one on the 'outside' that the hubs sit on?
Doesnt that mean there are 2 more sets of bearings on the inside.

Cheers for helping me m8

8th March 2010, 22:00

hold on,
ffs,
has the inner bearings/stub pins collapsed or the outer ones?
getting really confused now

8th March 2010, 22:11

i second ill get on paint i have a perfect pic to draw on

8th March 2010, 22:12

The inner stub pins (which need replaced) are the big ones on either end of the yellow beam, the trailing arms (with bearings and seals inside) fit onto these. The trailing arms themselves have smaller stub pins for the hubs.

Your options are:
- Replace the inner stub pins by removing the old pins and pressing the new ones into the yellow beam. Fit your original trailing arms with new bearings/ seals onto these, then reassemble the beam.
- Buy the yellow beam already refurbed. Fit your original trailing arms with new bearings/ seals onto this beam, then reassemble.
- Buy the refurbed axle and fit your hubs/ rear brakes.

Hopefully that should be clearer haha.

8th March 2010, 22:17

RED circles are over where the main beam pins are
there the ones where there bearings are that have collapsed on you beam
you will need new bearings new seals and new stub pins for there

GREEN circles are over the hubs
there is a set of pins in there that are a lot more readily available as they bend if you curb a wheel and there a lot easier to replace like
but you dont need to worry about them like

8th March 2010, 23:09

Quick question.... how much camber is worrying? just any at all? i seem to have abit, its even on each side but i have no play at all

9th March 2010, 08:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeeumH

The inner stub pins (which need replaced) are the big ones on either end of the yellow beam, the trailing arms (with bearings and seals inside) fit onto these. The trailing arms themselves have smaller stub pins for the hubs.

Your options are:
- Replace the inner stub pins by removing the old pins and pressing the new ones into the yellow beam. Fit your original trailing arms with new bearings/ seals onto these, then reassemble the beam.
- Buy the yellow beam already refurbed. Fit your original trailing arms with new bearings/ seals onto this beam, then reassemble.
- Buy the refurbed axle and fit your hubs/ rear brakes.

Hopefully that should be clearer haha.

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RED circles are over where the main beam pins are
there the ones where there bearings are that have collapsed on you beam
you will need new bearings new seals and new stub pins for there

GREEN circles are over the hubs
there is a set of pins in there that are a lot more readily available as they bend if you curb a wheel and there a lot easier to replace like
but you dont need to worry about them like

You guys are fuking life savers,
Cheers ill get on to it once the bodywork is done!
Cheers guys!

9th March 2010, 10:17

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Originally Posted by AlixAutopsy

Cheers ill get on to it once the bodywork is done!

id put the beam priority to the paintwork
what goods a pretty car if its not driveable

9th March 2010, 15:00

if you want to give us a call il try explain your options as best i can!

01949 869600

We sell kits to do it yourself.
Beams + bearing kits to avoid the hard part.
Or the whole axle!