Sliding when cornering fast

1. York1366 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Louth/Lincolnshire Posts: 1540 Stage 4.5 Litchfield 725bhp R35 GTR

   #1 9th March 2010, 17:08

   ok so got my track car on the road and it slides when cornering fast not stupidly fast but sending on.
   
   
   its lowered 40mm
   upper omp strut brace
   lower omp strut brace
   yokohama s drive tyres
   
   was thinking mabye needs more weight in it cause feels worse since stripped it out any idea?
2. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #2 9th March 2010, 17:09

   maybe you are just going too fast for the corner? OR need to alter your driving style to suit ?
   
   better tyres would help?
   
   what suspension you running?
   
   Does it understeer? OR the rear feels twitchy ?
3. sir_dave Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Surrey Posts: 1228 Trophy #433

   #3 9th March 2010, 17:16

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by York1366 ok so got my track car on the road and it slides when cornering fast not stupidly fast but sending on. its lowered 40mm upper omp strut brace lower omp strut brace yokohama s drive tyres was thinking mabye needs more weight in it cause feels worse since stripped it out any idea?

   1st thoughts would be:
   
   Spax springs only
   Poor tyres
   Too much speed for conditions/road
4. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

   #4 9th March 2010, 17:18

   Spax springs with standard dampers is never going to be a good setup for track use.
5. York1366 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Louth/Lincolnshire Posts: 1540 Stage 4.5 Litchfield 725bhp R35 GTR

   #5 9th March 2010, 17:19

   am on about in the dry dont have any coilovers or anything tyres are almost new just back end feels slidy more than anything
6. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

   #6 9th March 2010, 17:22

   You keeping the throttle balanced while cornering?
   
   Makes me cringe when I'm in the car with people who 'stab' at the throttle mid corner.
7. sir_dave Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Surrey Posts: 1228 Trophy #433

   #7 9th March 2010, 17:23

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by York1366 am on about in the dry dont have any coilovers or anything tyres are almost new just back end feels slidy more than anything

   Stripping the rear will obviously make the back end a little more 'playful' ...
8. York1366 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Louth/Lincolnshire Posts: 1540 Stage 4.5 Litchfield 725bhp R35 GTR

   #8 9th March 2010, 17:24

   yeah am not slamming down hard or pinning it i try balance it just back end seems so happy i know theres no weight on it should i deck back end or just spring for a shock set up?
9. user_38198 Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 West Mids Posts: 1847 Peugeot 106 1.1

   #9 9th March 2010, 17:25

   No idea how much PSI people run on track but are your tyres pumped up too much so they let go too early?
10. York1366 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Louth/Lincolnshire Posts: 1540 Stage 4.5 Litchfield 725bhp R35 GTR

    #10 9th March 2010, 17:29

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Meto No idea how much PSI people run on track but are your tyres pumped up too much so they let go too early?

    they have 32 in them mate.
11. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #11 9th March 2010, 17:31

    If you're planning on plenty track time, I'd definitely look into a better suspension setup.
    
    I find Faulkner 155lb springs with Bilstein Grp N dampers all round ideal for fast road use (and living with on a daily basis). I think you'd see a good improvement with say a set of B8s and similar lbage springs. You'd probably want something stiffer for track... say Grp N dampers and 170lb springs. 21mm torsion bars would be a nice addition too.
12. York1366 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Louth/Lincolnshire Posts: 1540 Stage 4.5 Litchfield 725bhp R35 GTR

    #12 9th March 2010, 17:33

    yeah i want a good handling set up because at the moment it just doesnt handle as i want so shocks and springs a good start? does bushes make a big difference?
13. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #13 9th March 2010, 17:38

    Polybushes do make everything feel tighter, but I'd say your main priority is getting the springs/ dampers sorted and the rear adjusted to match the new height at the front.
    
    Is the car a daily driver?
14. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #14 9th March 2010, 17:39

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by York1366 yeah i want a good handling set up because at the moment it just doesnt handle as i want so shocks and springs a good start? does bushes make a big difference?

    Yes and yes
15. dinga Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2008 not brazil,northern ireland Posts: 763 vts

    #15 9th March 2010, 17:40

    vts is 32 front 29 rear.
    if the back end is stripped less weight is over the rear axle,so in theory less air in tyres.
    but as above take a look at suspension set up.
16. York1366 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Louth/Lincolnshire Posts: 1540 Stage 4.5 Litchfield 725bhp R35 GTR

    #16 9th March 2010, 17:41

    yeah its a daily driver atm whilst am sorting my 172 out i was thinking polybushes and dropping back end to like 80 with uprated shocks
17. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #17 9th March 2010, 17:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by York1366 yeah its a daily driver atm whilst am sorting my 172 out i was thinking polybushes and dropping back end to like 80 with uprated shocks

    
    
    IMO, get a nicely balanced setup instead of just slamming it
    
    I'm running poly bushes front and rear, Bilstein Group N shocks, GMC 40mm springs on the front, 24mm Rear ARB and 21mm Torsion bars and to me it feels great on the road and perfectly balanced. If you go into a corner too fast it will just wash wide, regardless of your suspension setup
    
    Mine isn't slammed to the deck, and is probably only around 20mm lower than standard, if that.
18. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #18 9th March 2010, 17:47

    LOL, I wouldn't be slamming it on its hoop if I was you.
    
    For a daily driver, I'd recommend some GMC 40mm springs (I know of two people on these forums selling some pretty cheap) and Bilstein B8 dampers (front and rear). If your budget stretches, you could always go for Grp N front and B8 rear dampers.
    
    The front will sit high... those GMC springs only give around a 30mm drop IIRC. Set the rear ride height to match, maybe even a few mm higher imo.
19. Ashleyp Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2008 Bedford & Manchester Posts: 17504

    #19 9th March 2010, 17:54

    Just to help with leeums point regarding the GMC set up. heres a pic of a lad on here running them
    
    imo. if your building a track car then buying cheapo components isnt the best way. a standard set up would be considerd better by some (arguably) because by whacking lowering springs on youve alterd the geometry but not really upgraded anything
    
    I think driving style has the most part to play here though. most are quick to blame their cars.
    
    pic: (note that the back end looks un-even in comparison to the front, it's just way its been parked)
    
    
20. York1366 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Louth/Lincolnshire Posts: 1540 Stage 4.5 Litchfield 725bhp R35 GTR

    #20 9th March 2010, 18:02

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LeeumH LOL, I wouldn't be slamming it on its hoop if I was you. For a daily driver, I'd recommend some GMC 40mm springs (I know of two people on these forums selling some pretty cheap) and Bilstein B8 dampers (front and rear). If your budget stretches, you could always go for Grp N front and B8 rear dampers. The front will sit high... those GMC springs only give around a 30mm drop IIRC. Set the rear ride height to match, maybe even a few mm higher imo.

    sounds good to me mate you will have to let me know about these springs mate and ill look into these shocks wheres the best place to get them from?
21. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #21 9th March 2010, 18:25

    keep the car at 40mm if your tracking it.
    "Sliding when cornering fast" when you come into a corner fast what do you do before the corner, mid corner, on the exit?
22. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #22 9th March 2010, 18:43

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by York1366 sounds good to me mate you will have to let me know about these springs mate and ill look into these shocks wheres the best place to get them from?

    Can buy Billies brand new from GMC Motorsport, Kam Racing etc. You occasionally see them pass through for sale forums too - keep checking Rallye Register, 106 Owners etc.