1999 106 gti engine into 2001 mk2 vtr - what do i need?

1. hard_corejoeboy Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2007 Southend, Essex/Thetford, Norfolk Posts: 4203 Seat Mii Toca/VW Polo Gti 6c 1.8 turbo

   #1 15th March 2010, 17:27

   I have a 1999 106 gti engine with loom ecu etc was wondering what i need to complete the conversion so it reliable and works!
   
   I've figured i need
   
   *Cat converter as will be getting a supersprint system
   *Rad top hose (any ideas on where to get and cost)
   
   Anything else i need?
   Also when it comes to buying bits like the exhaust what do i buy it for? A mk1 VTS?
2. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #2 15th March 2010, 17:30

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3. hard_corejoeboy Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2007 Southend, Essex/Thetford, Norfolk Posts: 4203 Seat Mii Toca/VW Polo Gti 6c 1.8 turbo

   #3 15th March 2010, 18:06

   I appreciate many may have made posts like this previously but not all were the same.
   
   So what would i need?
4. VTRelite Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Gloucester Posts: 3000 Citroen Saxo VTR Renault 5

   #4 15th March 2010, 18:14

   Engine
   ECU
   Clocks
   Loom
   Gearbox
   
   and all the other stuff for an engine conversion but mainly getting an engine with loom and ecu as I think the loom require some mods but not too sure
5. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #5 15th March 2010, 18:15

   106 gti loom won't fit - need a 3 plug vts loom
6. hard_corejoeboy Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2007 Southend, Essex/Thetford, Norfolk Posts: 4203 Seat Mii Toca/VW Polo Gti 6c 1.8 turbo

   #6 15th March 2010, 18:18

   Why won't it fit? I don't know to much about engines but i assumed that if i have the gti ecu loom and engine they are all designed to work together?
   
   Surely i won't need new clocks?
   
   I do however need a gti/vts gearbox
7. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #7 15th March 2010, 18:21

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy Why won't it fit? I don't know to much about engines but i assumed that if i have the gti ecu loom and engine they are all designed to work together? Surely i won't need new clocks? I do however need a gti/vts gearbox

   The loom plug that goes from the engine to car loom doesn't plug straight into the car loom - whereas the 3 plug vts loom would.
   
   You'll need a 3 plug unlocked Ecu to run the vts loom without having ot mess about with immobiliser stuff.
   
   Yes I'd fit a vts box
   
   You'll need the following too:
   
   - top radiator hose
   - new throttle cable
   - vts fans ideally (but not a big problem)
   - vts exhaust manifold
8. VTRelite Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Gloucester Posts: 3000 Citroen Saxo VTR Renault 5

   #8 15th March 2010, 18:21

   The early GTi engines are single plug
9. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #9 15th March 2010, 18:22

   also, wont need clocks with a 3 plug vts loom and ecu
10. hard_corejoeboy Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2007 Southend, Essex/Thetford, Norfolk Posts: 4203 Seat Mii Toca/VW Polo Gti 6c 1.8 turbo

    #10 15th March 2010, 18:25

    Balls so i need
    
    VTS 3 plug ecu and loom
    Rad top hose
    VTS? Throttle cable
    VTS box
11. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #11 15th March 2010, 18:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy Balls so i need VTS 3 plug ecu and loom Rad top hose VTS? Throttle cable VTS box

    yes, plus vts top engine mount (the bridge that goes from engine to the rubber mount itself.
    
    make sure the Ecu is unlocked too.
    
    can use your standard fan, but might be easier to get the vts fan to match the loom depending on if the vts fan wiring is in the engine loom or car loom

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12. hard_corejoeboy Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2007 Southend, Essex/Thetford, Norfolk Posts: 4203 Seat Mii Toca/VW Polo Gti 6c 1.8 turbo

    #12 15th March 2010, 18:47

    What a bloody mission getting hold of that lot. Gonna be expensive too aye
13. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #13 15th March 2010, 18:49

    yeh, best to try and find a rear ended mk2 3 plug vts and take a lot of the bits out the front of it
    
    you'll need a fuel return pipe plumbed in too
14. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #14 15th March 2010, 19:38

    and if your gunna try and make you single plug engine run on 3 plug loom you will either need to change some sensors or cut the plugs off the single plug loom and wire them onto your 3 plug loom
15. user_11460 Super Moderator Joined: Aug 2006 Staffs Posts: 3778 207 HDi GT

    #15 15th March 2010, 19:48

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by raunchz 106 gti loom won't fit - need a 3 plug vts loom

    Would you be able to use a gti ecu, on a vts loom?
16. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #16 15th March 2010, 19:49

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Simon Would you be able to use a gti ecu, on a vts loom?

    yes, I did with mine initially and worked spot on - it was unlocked
17. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #17 15th March 2010, 19:50

    yea if you buy an engine from a different model/year as your own its gonna be expensive i got all my bits from a mk1 vts so everything was plug and play with me, just a couple things tho, i used the vtr engine mount and bridge not a vts one and it worked fine, also generally speaking you dont need a vts box i have a 1.1 box on mine and my god does it accelerate fast lol but yea its not as reliable as a vts box, go for a vts box if you want a reliable car lol also make sure to unplug the immobiliser BEFORE you plug the ecu in, i forgot to do this and i ended up locking my unlocked ecu grrrr luckily my mate had one lying around that i could use but it still means i need to repay him with an unlocked ecu at somepoint which is about £65 to get it unlocked
18. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

    #18 15th March 2010, 19:54

    sell the engine. buy a 3 plug vts engine which will come with all the bits you need. much easier, i know from personal experience
19. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #19 15th March 2010, 19:54

    did you grind some of the vtr mount? as they dont fit properly unless you do. they also only have 3 bolt holes, a vts 1 has 4.
20. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #20 15th March 2010, 20:10

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by williamsvts did you grind some of the vtr mount? as they dont fit properly unless you do. they also only have 3 bolt holes, a vts 1 has 4.

    i unscrewed the whole block off my vtr engine and bolted it on to my vts engine so i didnt have to grind anything
21. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #21 15th March 2010, 20:21

    ah right, thought you meant you just used the mount.
22. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #22 15th March 2010, 20:25

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by williamsvts ah right, thought you meant you just used the mount.

    yer sorry should have explained it better i dont know why people bother buying vts engine mounts when you can just do what i did, are they any safer?
23. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #23 15th March 2010, 20:28

    just got an extra bolt.