Leaking oil from head?

1. DJDannyB Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Stockport Posts: 2687

   #1 16th March 2010, 18:37

   Today i was heatwraping my manifold and noticed that there was quite a lot of oil coming from the head going down behind where the alternator is.. The patch seems to start at the manifold just from the first outlet no others. Is it possible to leak oil from the exhaust outlets?? Also why is it doing this?
   
   
   
   
2. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

   #2 16th March 2010, 19:30

   to be honest,any oil leak in that area would indicate head gasket leakage round the main oilway
3. DJDannyB Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Stockport Posts: 2687

   #3 16th March 2010, 19:41

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by mandyslover70 to be honest,any oil leak in that area would indicate head gasket leakage round the main oilway

   I hope its not! i cant be doing with this piece of shit any more!
   Anyone else have any idea?
4. cookski27 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jul 2009 birmingham! Posts: 213 matt black the cunt!! aka the beast!

   #4 16th March 2010, 19:55

   mine leaks from there aswell buddy, ent got a clue how it gets between the manifold!!! ive got more oil in my bay than i have in my engine! dont give a f**k about the oil anyway, puttin a vts in the slut by june happy days!! just hope it dont die on me untill then
5. DJDannyB Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Stockport Posts: 2687

   #5 16th March 2010, 19:58

   Just added some pics to make it a bit easier for people to understand what i mean
6. samfenna Established Member Joined: Nov 2009 meols, wirral Posts: 1126 02 furio, polo 6n

   #6 16th March 2010, 20:05

   i have the same problem, had it into the garage, hydrocarbon and compression checks done, nothing to indicate hg failure apparently
7. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

   #7 16th March 2010, 20:07

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by samfenna i have the same problem, had it into the garage, hydrocarbon and compression checks done, nothing to indicate hg failure apparently

   thats because its the oilway in the head gasket leaking,not the fire seals in the gasket, hydrocarbon and compression is only affected if these fail and allow compression gases get into the cooling system
8. Railroader Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 Bolton Posts: 1068 Saxo 1.4i sx

   #8 16th March 2010, 20:08

   yep mine did it in the same place, design weakness
9. samfenna Established Member Joined: Nov 2009 meols, wirral Posts: 1126 02 furio, polo 6n

   #9 16th March 2010, 20:08

   i know its vague, but its only on 42k at the moment, how much longer am i looking at it before i start to see significant problems??
10. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

    #10 16th March 2010, 20:09

    having looked at the pics i'd say you're right! if head gasket oilway fails oil usually runs down not up!! possible fault with rings on no1 cylinder allowing un-burnt oil to be pumped into manifold? clutching at straws here lol
11. DJDannyB Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Stockport Posts: 2687

    #11 16th March 2010, 20:13

    So what does it look like is wrong with it then guys? i have no idea about engines really..
12. user_39821 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2009 Uckfield, East Sussex Posts: 3362 Citroen saxo 1.4 furio

    #12 16th March 2010, 20:31

    as said above, the piston rings in cylinder one. thats the only thing i could think it could be coming from where it is
13. saxo_mike Established Member Joined: Mar 2008 Heald Green, Stockport Posts: 1721 black/yellow vtr

    #13 16th March 2010, 20:33

    *cough* 16v *cough*
14. DJDannyB Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Stockport Posts: 2687

    #14 16th March 2010, 20:41

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by adamskiTNR as said above, the piston rings in cylinder one. thats the only thing i could think it could be coming from where it is

    that means engine rebuild basically?
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxo_mike *cough* 16v *cough*

    Gonna have to be if ive got to get the rings changed lol
15. cookski27 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jul 2009 birmingham! Posts: 213 matt black the cunt!! aka the beast!

    #15 16th March 2010, 22:00

    all four piston rings have got on mine, ive even got blue smoke cumming though the air vents!! thats when you no it bad!! lol just gonna drive it till it dies then do a heart transplant (vts)
16. DJDannyB Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Stockport Posts: 2687

    #16 16th March 2010, 23:14

    So does everyone think it's deffo the piston ring and not the headgasket? Would this make the car slower? Aceleration seems a bit sluggish
17. Lawz Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2008 Newcastle Posts: 212 1.1 Mk1

    #17 17th March 2010, 01:31

    Same issue when I got my 1.1, same place, looked the same. Bear in mind that oil likes to travel a bit, so the bit above would be normal.
    
    Anyway, mine was like that for 2 years, just decided to change the headgasket and im waiting to see how it turns out.
18. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #18 17th March 2010, 12:40

    I'd say headgasket
19. DJDannyB Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Stockport Posts: 2687

    #19 17th March 2010, 12:48

    Yeah sparco tom said headgasket too.
    
    Stupid french shite!
20. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #20 17th March 2010, 13:07

    I'd get the parts to do the headgasket, and then maybe have a look inside the exhaust port when you've got the manifold off - I'd be very suprised if it was a piston ring tbh !
21. DJDannyB Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Stockport Posts: 2687

    #21 17th March 2010, 13:12

    may aswell do waterpump at the same time eh?
22. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #22 17th March 2010, 13:28

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DJDannyB may aswell do waterpump at the same time eh?

    yeh I would, but depends on the mileage and whether its been done before
23. DJDannyB Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Stockport Posts: 2687

    #23 17th March 2010, 14:27

    Its on 64k. I had the cambelt done with full service on 59k
24. Lawz Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2008 Newcastle Posts: 212 1.1 Mk1

    #24 17th March 2010, 19:57

    When I changed my headgasket at 60k I'd only had my belt and water pump done at 51k I think so didnt replace.
    
    When I locked the timing etc off as well and took off the timing belt covers I found I didnt need to take the timing belt off fully, so as long as you mark the belt teeth and its place on the sprocket you can just slip off the top part of the belt and put it back in exact same place, still tensioner to do obviously
25. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #25 17th March 2010, 20:10

    I've seen loads of 8V engines leak around there. I would live with it personally.
26. DJDannyB Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Stockport Posts: 2687

    #26 17th March 2010, 20:13

    I have to live with it tbh.. im skint. when i do have money ill get a 16v lump for it
27. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #27 17th March 2010, 20:16

    I take it you're not noticing the oil level dropping on the dipstick?
28. DJDannyB Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Stockport Posts: 2687

    #28 17th March 2010, 21:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LeeumH I take it you're not noticing the oil level dropping on the dipstick?

    Nope.. strange
29. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #29 17th March 2010, 21:21

    I wouldn't worry about it until you notice it getting worse... i.e dropping on the ground and the oil level falling.
30. DJDannyB Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Stockport Posts: 2687

    #30 18th March 2010, 14:51

    Went to the shop in it today and the temp was at full within minutes, then when i pulled up it went down to half. is this normal when the headgasket has gone?
31. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #31 18th March 2010, 14:55

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DJDannyB Went to the shop in it today and the temp was at full within minutes, then when i pulled up it went down to half. is this normal when the headgasket has gone?

    Could be thermostat? If you take it out and put it in boiling water it should open.
    
    I'd test that - if it's fine then I'd get a 'sniff' test done at the garage - it tests for any exhaust fumes in the coolant - then check for any 'mayo' in the oil/coolant.
32. DJDannyB Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Stockport Posts: 2687

    #32 18th March 2010, 15:27

    Thermostat is working i changed the temp sensor in it a few weeks ago aswel. hmm
33. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #33 18th March 2010, 15:41

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DJDannyB Thermostat is working i changed the temp sensor in it a few weeks ago aswel. hmm

    I'd budget to do the hg personally - do it before it goes and you're stuck at the side of the road.
    
    Mileage wise it's about due tbh - 99% of them go around the 65k-70k mark
34. user_26394 Saxperience Addict Joined: Aug 2008 Bedworth Posts: 10221 106 gti

    #34 18th March 2010, 15:47

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LeeumH I've seen loads of 8V engines leak around there. I would live with it personally.

    I have also seen many many many 8v's seeping oil behind the alternator, you will know when it actually becomes a real issue so personally i wouldn't worry about it either
35. DJDannyB Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Stockport Posts: 2687

    #35 23rd March 2010, 11:03

    Going to get the HG done soon as the cash is available