Cracked bottom end;-(

18th March 2010, 19:20

Basicali thought the head gaskit had gone, got head off ect turns out the bottom end has a crack all the way though, thinking best bet is to just buy a new block or just bottom
end? As my heads in mint condion. What price am I looking at you think?

It's a 106gti engine in my saxo vtr if makes any difference.

18th March 2010, 19:22

shouldn't be looking at too much tbh.

you forget to put antifreeze in it !?

18th March 2010, 19:23

can pick bottom ends up dirt cheap.

18th March 2010, 19:25

you could get one from your local scrappy quiet cheap

18th March 2010, 19:27

Cheers hoping for entire complete bottom end so can just put back together?

Na some tossers done hg befor and tighten it up wrong n it's done it, will get picks up when get bk from work bout 10:30.

18th March 2010, 19:28

could always get that holts product that is spose to weld up cracks in the bottom end LOL

18th March 2010, 19:35

Lmfao!!! Somehow I don't think tht will work, as the cracks the lenth off half the engine, how much reckon from a scrapy then? What's to look for when buying one as I have bad look at buying everything on this car:-(

18th March 2010, 20:01

let me see if i have got this right somebody has cracked the block through tightning up a head bolt to tight? tbh that seems a little far fetched.

18th March 2010, 20:28

crack the head or warpped it maybe...

ive seen a hole in the bottom end before, that was due to some chav like abuse, and no rev limiter

18th March 2010, 20:30

its not that far fetched , if the bolts are tightened unevenly then when the engine gets hot and exspands there is uneven pressure on different parts of the engine hence forth creating a crack

18th March 2010, 20:32

damage the head maybe but that takes some heathen like abuse.

18th March 2010, 20:32

you should be able to get one very cheap as i got a vts sump/block/crank/ and pistons for 35 pound from ebay

18th March 2010, 22:40

basciali they have donen hg befor n not had a clue what they were doing tighten all the backons up then the front, also not used a torque wrench as each bolt were complete different tightnesses, mechanic tht i no tht worked for citreon for 35years had alook at it and said thts whats caused it so am gona go with what he's said tbh.

dont reali fancy buying one off ebay as i have bad luck with stuff off there,...

will get pick up of damage in next 15mins

18th March 2010, 22:47

18th March 2010, 22:50

doesnt look to bad imo....

if it was me id just replace the head gasket, and make sure it was done using the correct methof.

18th March 2010, 22:54

You can't use that block!!!

That's clearly not from anything to do with headbolts, that's cracks across coolant channels/divider on a single channel so a consequence of no antifreeze

your Citroen mate talks rubbish

18th March 2010, 22:55

the cracks all the way though mate, and carrys on after tht pic finishes

. tbh am thing cansel tax insurance have it off road n do a complete rebuild on the engine n get it all mint tbh;/, how risky is it buying a bottom end off ebay? what cud be the proplys with them?

18th March 2010, 22:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by raunchz

You can't use that block!!!

That's clearly not from anything to do with headbolts, that's cracks across coolant channels so a consequence of no antifreeze

your Citroen mate talks rubbish

i duno mate, am not reali to sure all i o is its fook n no good, when it was fitted to the car its had all ne oils anti freeze n tht so must been pre owner, but am just going on what he's said as he said he's seen it befor on them.

18th March 2010, 22:59

The reason isn't really important tbh

If try not to buy a bottom end off eBay - I'd say the head was taken off for a reason on the bottom ends for sale

It might be better to buy an engine and sell yours for parts - budget around £200 for another engine

18th March 2010, 23:00

didnt relieased they went all the way down, thought the were spacer's.

nice chuck for the scrapman

18th March 2010, 23:05

reali wona keep my top end as its in mint condion, no marks reali clean and polished inside, also had new lifter springs ect in it, was hoping just to buy a bottom end reali but do you think its dodge buying just bottom end off ebay? 200, just for the block? with no loom ecu or anything? seems abit steap;/

18th March 2010, 23:09

may aswell get a whole engine as send, sell the head.

ive bought numerous bottom ends off ebay, one cost £10 and its fine.

18th March 2010, 23:10

Well that's how much i'd pay to make sure it's a good one.

It's going to cost you a new headgasket, headbolts and cambelt - so if you buy a dodgy bottom end and have to take the head off again then these parts are wasted.

Buy a good engine, use the bottom end and sell the head.

Why would someone sell just a bottom end? Logically thinking, there aren't many genuine reasons why you'd have a good bottom end spare to sell.

18th March 2010, 23:13

i just sold a bare S engine with bent valves for £120, nothing wrong as i could see with bottom end, well i hope not as mr-p off here had it.

18th March 2010, 23:15

the head bolt thing sounded to iffy tbh no antifreeze like ross said looks like the culprit.

18th March 2010, 23:16

thts quite true tbh, maybe if your top end had gone? but chance are rare tbh, bottom ends worth more then 10er in scrap metal proply. think thts proply best thing to do then buy full block and then sell the head off it, how easy is it to get rid of the head?

18th March 2010, 23:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by mandyslover70

i just sold a bare S engine with bent valves for £120, nothing wrong as i could see with bottom end, well i hope not as mr-p off here had it.

any more engines ideal for me in stock mate? its a gti lump if tht makes any difference

?

18th March 2010, 23:19

nothing at the mo, got one vts engine but thats waiting for collection, all been paid for

18th March 2010, 23:22

:-(, if tht falls thought let me no please, how offten do you get vts lumps in? will a vts bottom end be ok with a gti top end?

19th March 2010, 00:20

The block could crack easily with incorrect torquing due to hydraulic forces.

Its easy done for an amateur - bit of oil/coolant goes into the thread holes, bolt goes it and gets torqued down... hydraulic pressure causes stress fracture in the block.

Thats based on my assumption that the TU5J4 doesn't have 'through-all' thread holes where the bottom of the bolt goes through to the sump, like K-series rovers for example.

19th March 2010, 01:05

am not sure tbh, and the cause of the proplem doset reali matter anymore, proplem is how to get it fixed, best options? ect...

19th March 2010, 11:58

depends on what you want to spend and if you're handy with spanners.

If it were me I'd change the block only so I could do the timing and HG properly, perhaps even give the block a good lick of UHT paint.

Otherwise the easy option is to replace the whole engine.

19th March 2010, 13:15

am pretty handy with spanners and have all tools including a hoist, and a mechanic to help me, so am thinking rip the engine out, strip it of alternater starter motor ect, buy a new block, put my alternater starter motor ect onto tht, and put mt head on it, put uprate head gaskit on and new timing kit with roller bearings ect, also thts the plan give it a nice lick of paint.

19th March 2010, 13:45

i bought a VTR engine off ebay For £120 although i did have to travel to brighton to get it, only had 43,000 miles on the clock i see the clocks and previous mot's to make sure the engine was as good as the bloke said, u can get a decent complete engine off ebay for around £150 - £250 just got to shop around bud.

19th March 2010, 23:11

its a vts engine mate not a vtr, there more rare and cost more, i did a 200mile round trip or this engine

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just rand my local scrappy they have a vts block in,... 50k on clock some mots of the car ect, but wont 300quid just for the bare block what you guys think? rip off?

19th March 2010, 23:14

£300 is a joke.

people can pick up 16v bottom ends for under a ton!

I could sell one for that lol

19th March 2010, 23:24

300 was for complete engine lump just bare engine no starter motor ect,... still major rip off, yer few ppl on here have em for sale nothing close to me though

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what things shud i luk for when buying a bottom end?

19th March 2010, 23:25

thats its not seized, or shows sign of piston/piston ring damage...

although even if it needs new rings and you can get it for uber cheap it may still be worth a punt.

bottom ends weigh alot which is why its an arse. Ive got a spare here lol

19th March 2010, 23:27

what condion if yours in ect? and how much would you wont for it?

19th March 2010, 23:29

was a complete full working engine last year till i ripped it out and took the bodies off it.

it was getting turned regular till the snow then i just didnt get into the garage.

I need to remove a baffled sump off it so could have a look then. Have no idea on postage though, would probably want about £80 for the bottom end alone.

there should be some about though as most people only usually want the heads.

19th March 2010, 23:36

thts what i was thinking, your closest to me so far, my other cars in the garage till least weekend but when thts done ect might be able to come n get yours or something.