This is why you dont lower 60mm

1. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

   #1 21st March 2010, 20:42

   Well i took my struts off today to fit new coilovers etc..
   
   This is why you dont put 60mm springs on standard height damper that aint shortened.
   
   Bearings smashed everywhere, springs dangling, top mounts fucked apart, top spring pan smashed apart.
   
   It really is more dangerous than what you think:
   
   
   
   
2. Olly Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Meerkat Harborough Posts: 2638 Saxo vtr mk 2

   #2 21st March 2010, 20:46

   that looks like a tasty little pie
3. user_33701 Established Member Joined: May 2009 Aberdeenshire Posts: 1932 MK3 Dub VR6 & DUB TDI

   #3 21st March 2010, 20:47

   Ouch, That looks rough!!
   
   How much to get it back to normal man?
4. GWZ_Joe Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 663

   #4 21st March 2010, 20:47

   springs are under scarey pressure
5. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #5 21st March 2010, 20:49

   That's aweful mate - good job you're putting new struts on there!!
6. chinkostu Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2008 The wrong carpark Posts: 5152 Xantia 1.9TD

   #6 21st March 2010, 20:53

   how did you not notice?!
7. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

   #7 21st March 2010, 20:56

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by -GG- Ouch, That looks rough!! How much to get it back to normal man?

   Well youd need the whole setup at the top of the damper. From a scrappers i guess £10 for both sides which aint much.
   
   

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by raunchz That's aweful mate - good job you're putting new struts on there!!

   Good timing tbh!
   
   

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by chinkostu how did you not notice?!

   Well they have been fine for a good good while!
   
   Only noticed the other week when i had new tyres put on. So obiously the jacking up of the car had extended the spring possibly braking the cable ties to the top spring pan allowing loads of play and there for fucked everything up!
   
   Symptoms was like a snaking feel like when your towing a trailer or caravan and they start to 'snake' kinda feels like that and also tracking was going off in all direction on different days!
   
   It finally gave way yesterday and i realised it was this when i fitted my new brakes and saw the top spring pan flapping about.
8. Matto Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2007 Bolton Posts: 233 Mk2 Golf

   #8 21st March 2010, 21:02

   Why are there cable ties there?
9. chinkostu Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2008 The wrong carpark Posts: 5152 Xantia 1.9TD

   #9 21st March 2010, 21:04

   why was it cable tied in the first place. lol
10. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #10 21st March 2010, 21:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Matto Why are there cable ties there?

    Becouse theyre 60mm springs which are shorter than the dampers when theyre fully extended. The springs are cabled tied to the top spring pan which is all connected to the other shiznit where the damper its bolted on. So the spring prevents the damper from extending to full extension which is when the spring would pop out of its spring pan.
11. Matto Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2007 Bolton Posts: 233 Mk2 Golf

    #11 21st March 2010, 21:13

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by db_sax Becouse theyre 60mm springs which are shorter than the dampers when theyre fully extended. The springs are cabled tied to the top spring pan which is all connected to the other shiznit where the damper its bolted on. So the spring prevents the damper from extending to full extension which is when the spring would pop out of its spring pan.

    
    Ahh I see. Thought you had done the old stick em in a freezer, cable ties and sellotape, smash ya teeth out trick
12. 106pete Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2007 plymouth Posts: 365 saxo vts metro gti rover 414

    #12 21st March 2010, 21:57

    60mm lowering springs will not hang loose in the strut just like any other spring, in your situation it would look more like someone has cut a coil off your spring and cabletied it in place.
13. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #13 21st March 2010, 22:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 106pete 60mm lowering springs will not hang loose in the strut just like any other spring, in your situation it would look more like someone has cut a coil off your spring and cabletied it in place.

    They didnt always hang loose! Only once all the top had broken away from each other. They can come unseated i know, but i never had this problem!
14. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #14 21st March 2010, 22:05

    thats reason 1.
    
    reason 2 is it looks pap
15. nath_vts Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 Nottingham Posts: 501 JDM EP3

    #15 21st March 2010, 22:07

    This is pretty scary tbh mate!
    
    Langar road and roundabouts Did sound proper fucked after youd done all your brakes.
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    Cant wait until shes back on the road and we get mine done roll on summer.
16. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #16 21st March 2010, 22:20

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan thats reason 1. reason 2 is it looks pap

    Your just jelous i used to have spax 60mm springs tbh lol
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nath_vts This is pretty scary tbh mate! Langar road and roundabouts Did sound proper fucked after youd done all your brakes. . Cant wait until shes back on the road and we get mine done roll on summer.

    I blame them potholes that time on the way to newark tbh, rmember?
17. nath_vts Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 Nottingham Posts: 501 JDM EP3

    #17 21st March 2010, 22:26

    what potholes in newark ?
18. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #18 21st March 2010, 22:29

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nath_vts what potholes in newark ?

    Ages ago on them back roads near that quarry or tip or whatever it is. Was "heavy hit after heavy hit after heavy hit baby boy" of potholes.
19. mik Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 tamworth Posts: 629 vts gti-6 XKR

    #19 21st March 2010, 22:37

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 106pete 60mm lowering springs will not hang loose in the strut just like any other spring, in your situation it would look more like someone has cut a coil off your spring and cabletied it in place.

    yes they do, 60mm need's shorter damper's . some people not named will sell you 60mm springs and tell you to lockwire or cable tye the springs to the strut but mot or even jacking the car up is a big fail, . get short dampers
20. nath_vts Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 Nottingham Posts: 501 JDM EP3

    #20 21st March 2010, 22:38

    Oh those bad boys! Yeah they were beasts and you hit every single one.
    
    Mate you have a talent pothole finder.
21. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #21 21st March 2010, 22:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nath_vts Oh those bad boys! Yeah they were beasts and you hit every single one. Mate you have a talent pothole finder.

    lmao, you make it sound like I purposley went in them! It was dark though and rainy
22. mik Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 tamworth Posts: 629 vts gti-6 XKR

    #22 21st March 2010, 23:54

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by db_sax Well i took my struts off today to fit new coilovers etc.. This is why you dont put 60mm springs on standard height damper that aint shortened. Bearings smashed everywhere, springs dangling, top mounts fucked apart, top spring pan smashed apart. It really is more dangerous than what you think:

    that looks like an on**** auto, option
23. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

    #23 22nd March 2010, 09:05

    What 60mm springs are they supposed to be out of interest?
    
    The only 60mm ones that i know of are the Spax ones and thats certainly not what you have there as the Spax 60mm ones do still need compressing slightly when fitting and definately cant jump free like that - they are of course quite soft to be able to give the 60mm effect.
24. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #24 22nd March 2010, 09:29

    Nah they are 60mm Spax springs. They didnt jump free, never come unseated or anything. Its down to my struts aswell being shitty and fallen apart which make them look that way!
25. Matts-VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2009 Presteigne, Powys Posts: 736 96' clio 16v / 93' clio williams 1 / 00' saxo vtr.

    #25 22nd March 2010, 09:36

    Seriously you should never need to cable tie your springs in!
    
    If your anti roll bar and bottom arm bushes etc are up to scratch then the arm shouldnt drop far enough even if you leave the ground!
26. lavo-vts Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2006 derbyshire Posts: 3515 mk1 vts (ETW Mercury Grey)

    #26 22nd March 2010, 09:39

    Can't say I have this problem n mine has been lowered 60mm for 10 years
27. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #27 22nd March 2010, 09:47

    Yeh this cars been lowered for years too! This is how the car was when i got it and i think the previous owner had got it like this before then aswell, so lasted a good while.
    
    And it happended when the car was jacked up not when i was driving
28. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

    #28 22nd March 2010, 09:48

    top mount bearing definately seems to have poo'd itself though. Not quite the worst ive seen though lol
29. Mikol Established Member Joined: Jun 2008 Somewhere between Bedford and Brixworth Posts: 2373 106 XS 16v Driveway Ornament

    #29 23rd March 2010, 12:22

    Tbh, if I'd have seen the cable ties I would've taken it all apart to see what the fuck was going on in the first place. Cable ties are the callsign of mega pikey modification.
    
    And don't buy bearings 2nd hand or you'll be changing them again soon. They're not expensive from GSF or somewhere - about £12 a side brand new - well worth doing
    
    PS. Brakes on yet? I'll have a gander at your progress thread...
    
    EDIT: Replied over the road on your blog
30. mikeyS L-plater Joined: Jan 2010 Durham Posts: 41 saxo VTR 106 quicksilver (RIP)

    #30 6th April 2010, 02:02

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 106pete 60mm lowering springs will not hang loose in the strut just like any other spring, in your situation it would look more like someone has cut a coil off your spring and cabletied it in place.

    that would explain why the top coil is at such an angle mine did the same after i cut mine on my old 106 neva doin that agen without reprofileing the last coil to seat right
31. gox Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2008 Zagreb, Croatia Posts: 154 Mk1 Saxo 1.0

    #31 6th April 2010, 09:34

    Could this happen with 50mm springs on stock bumpers?
32. mikeyS L-plater Joined: Jan 2010 Durham Posts: 41 saxo VTR 106 quicksilver (RIP)

    #32 7th April 2010, 05:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gox Could this happen with 50mm springs on stock bumpers?

    save your self the time and £££ mate and invest in a decent spring and damper set
33. Claki Established Member Joined: Aug 2009 Horsham Posts: 1855 Leon Cupra 200 TDI

    #33 7th April 2010, 09:25

    my new posi is lowered about 60mm still on standard shocks... i knew the front was fucked when i jacked the car up and i can lift the wheel with one hand. sounds fucked to me.
34. sqwidge Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2009 Grimsby Posts: 132 Citroen Saxo VTS

    #34 8th April 2010, 14:50

    my car is lowered and on standard shocks, how long have you had yours b4 you discovered this? i check mine often but would like some idea of timespan if poss
35. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #35 8th April 2010, 14:55

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sqwidge my car is lowered and on standard shocks, how long have you had yours b4 you discovered this? i check mine often but would like some idea of timespan if poss

    25k? Maybe longer lol. Tbh think it was more down to my struts being dead but the fact it had short springs didnt help once the strut gave up