is the saxo steering speed sensetive?

31st March 2010, 04:11

as above... meaning does it go stiffer as you go faster?

cheers

31st March 2010, 06:55

Nope. Although it's not overly light anyway.

31st March 2010, 10:12

cheers.... so is there a way to lighten it?

maybe using a pump off a heavyer car or using a diferant rack? i realise this would make the car more unstable at speed and somthing would need to be done to stop that but is it possible without going to massive expense?

31st March 2010, 10:58

Go to the gym..... Its as light as wotsits as it is.

31st March 2010, 12:08

It would be less hassle to fit wings so you could fly to work mate.

31st March 2010, 17:13

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Originally Posted by Stevo123

It would be less hassle to fit wings so you could fly to work mate.

Put red bull in the perol tank

31st March 2010, 17:15

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Originally Posted by JDanielR1875

Put red bull in the perol tank

DON'T do this. Unless you're a complete muppet, then go ahead. You deserve to fubar your car

31st March 2010, 17:19

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Originally Posted by Fergie

DON'T do this. Unless you're a complete muppet, then go ahead. You deserve to fubar your car

I think he was jesting mate

31st March 2010, 17:26

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Originally Posted by Stevo123

I think he was jesting mate

Correct...

31st March 2010, 17:55

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Originally Posted by Stevo123

I think he was jesting mate

Never!!

31st March 2010, 22:35

cheers all extremly helpfull...........

is there some sort of prize for collecting thanks from other users or is it some form of cock sucking thing, used by new members to ingratiate themselfs to the more establishd members?

31st March 2010, 22:40

Is the steering speed sensitive?

By fuck, it's a Saxo.

The speedo is only just about speed sensitive!!

1st April 2010, 14:21

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Originally Posted by LABRAT

cheers all extremly helpfull...........

is there some sort of prize for collecting thanks from other users or is it some form of cock sucking thing, used by new members to ingratiate themselfs to the more establishd members?

In fairness mate it was a silly question that got silly answers. Don't take it to heart it's only a bit fo fun. Have a good weekend eh

1st April 2010, 15:04

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Originally Posted by Stevo123

In fairness mate it was a silly question that got silly answers. Don't take it to heart it's only a bit fo fun. Have a good weekend eh

Nope but my blokes omega is.

1st April 2010, 21:13

i fail to see why its a silly question.. citreon have there very own version of speed sensetive power steering. its on the berlingo vans and the c2 amongst others... its not that unlikly that they may have fitted it to the higher speced saxos vtr/vts for example..

have a pleasant easter yourself.....

2nd April 2010, 01:08

they are all new cars though with new technology, the saxo is oldddddddddddd now so it wasnt really about then i guess...

2nd April 2010, 09:09

The reason it seems a daft question is that increasing the assistance at motorway speeds is frankly dangerous and systems are designed to reduce the assistance as speed increases not increase it. This is because frankly you do not need it at high speed in buckets as you need to have this thing called "feel" coming back through the wheel to feedback into your brain whats going on at the wheels. The problem with early PAS systems was too much assistance and vagueness in the steering caused by a low ratio rack with tons of turns lock to lock and stupid over assistance which meant you were relying soley on your visual for whats going on with your steering.If you want that kind of driving best bet is to buy an old yank tank from the 80s or early 90's in fact they're still pretty bad. My favorite road car steering is the Alfa which has almost a racing rack in terms of ratio which with good suspension setup means great feel. If you put on narrower tyres you'll get more of the sensation you're looking for and it aint good...actually I had a PAS fault on an alfa of mine once which over assisted the steering and gee was that frightening, there was no feel whatsover from the wheel and you'll be surprised how disconcerting it is to be pushing 1 1/2 tons of metal around with the sensation of an atari video game....

2nd April 2010, 10:59

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Originally Posted by maraalfa

The reason it seems a daft question is that increasing the assistance at motorway speeds is frankly dangerous and systems are designed to reduce the assistance as speed increases not increase it. This is because frankly you do not need it at high speed in buckets as you need to have this thing called "feel" coming back through the wheel to feedback into your brain whats going on at the wheels. The problem with early PAS systems was too much assistance and vagueness in the steering caused by a low ratio rack with tons of turns lock to lock and stupid over assistance which meant you were relying soley on your visual for whats going on with your steering.If you want that kind of driving best bet is to buy an old yank tank from the 80s or early 90's in fact they're still pretty bad. My favorite road car steering is the Alfa which has almost a racing rack in terms of ratio which with good suspension setup means great feel. If you put on narrower tyres you'll get more of the sensation you're looking for and it aint good...actually I had a PAS fault on an alfa of mine once which over assisted the steering and gee was that frightening, there was no feel whatsover from the wheel and you'll be surprised how disconcerting it is to be pushing 1 1/2 tons of metal around with the sensation of an atari video game....

exactly where did i say i wanted to increase the assistans at mororway speed?????

i stated a few posts back that i was looking to lighten the steering but realised that for the sake of high speed stabilaty it would need to be altered.

the big problem i find is that because the saxo dosnt have speed sensetive steering the engineers had to pick a happy medium between a car that was stable on the motorway yet still parkable at low speeds. on the whole they did a dam good job..

but.. i enter my car into events.. auto solos. that involves driveng through a series of coned gates against the clock.. usually on service station car parks (all legal and msa backed) the courses are very tight and twisty and time penaltys are added for clipping or hitting cones. having a way to lighten the steering for events would be a big help..

i can see im not going to get much sense from on here... to many chavy little cunts and not enough genuine car enthusiasts..

2nd April 2010, 11:23

people are trying to help by answering the question....no need to get all arsey.....

2nd April 2010, 11:44

appologys for seeming to be arsy..

citroen first released speed sensetive steering in 1970 so way befor the saxo was born.

its called DIRAVI linky http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIRAVI

2nd April 2010, 11:50

Very funny, when you start resorting to insult you know you're not communicating with a real car enthusiast or the person has a poor grasp of the english language. Your first post asked "does it go stiffer ass you go faster" now if as you say you're an enthusiast then you know the answer to this question. Having spent the last 38 years playing with cars both mine and other peoples changing engines, suspension setups, improving and rebuilding all kinds of cars I take offence at being called both chavvy and the C word.
Your inference was that you wanted to lighten it up at speed, so what you actually want is to lighten it up at low speeds. The simple way I can think of is to put a larger diameter steering wheel on for your "auto solos" this will make the steering lighter although you'll need to strike a balance with being unweildy. You might also consider one of those knobs on the wheel to allow you to turn using just one hand whilst flicking between reverse and forward. Swithching back wheels for your drive home, thats simple and cheap enough?

2nd April 2010, 11:54

Disadvantages

-No feedback to the driver - apparent feedback is entirely artificial and bears no relation to the actual forces on the front wheels from the vehicle's inertia and the roadway
-Driver must survey visual cues to determine approach of roadholding limit
-Requires familiarization - novices find DIRAVI too fast and sensitive

Wheres the fun in all that? Surely it'd be better to have feedback to know what is going on at the wheels?

Plus with what you do (auto solos) surely speed is of the essence so therefore running on the original theory of DIRAVI, the setup would hinder rather then help you?

'The auto makers perceive that motorists might need to make large steering inputs while manoeuvering for parking, but not while traveling at high speed.'

Thats my 50pence worth

2nd April 2010, 12:39

maraalfa ..

your first response was go to the gym, i found that insulting... so please dont play the high and mighty card with me.

steering knobs arnt allowed in auto solos, only in auto tests.. also there is no reversing, again thats only in auto tests.. as for a bigger steering wheel im all arms and legs as it is so i think id find a larger steering wheel a hinderance.

ive been messing about with cars for over 20 years myself..

toms112 ..

id imagine the diravi system has a lighter feel at lower speeds than a non diravi system, purley because it has the abilaty to stiffen up at higher speeds so negating the need to strike a balance between stabilatiy and parkabilaty.

2nd April 2010, 13:38

As was then, my first response is actually valid although it was tongue in cheek, I found myself that a lot of tasks are a lot easier after a decent string of gym work, a 6 month hour a day regime working upper body and you'll not even notice any weight at all on the steering, I doubled my curl and press ability in 6 months ok this was allied to a proper high protein diet but means you can lift engine blocks on your own and take strains at stupid positions under cars without injury. Barring all this looking at the driver stuff why not just search the parts catalog and find a rack with a higher ratio if you really think light steering will help. Not being an aficionado of your sport I don't know your rules but other things to think about are narrower front tyres, if you put some old 155 or so widths on it'll be light and scary..., lighten up the front weight just small bits like removing soundproofing etc. If its all forwards work in the sport I would have thought a low ratio rack with small wheel and strong driver would be the way to go for maximum control, one big point ABS, I did an evasive driving course with a USA pykes peak winner teaching, it's amazing what you can do steering wise with ABS we weren't in a service station but a US greyhound track car park so left foot braking whilst maintaining throttle works best, you'll learn to balance the weight distribution and looks like you already know the problem is normally putting in too much steering input, front wheel drive jetta could be steered accurately through cones in a controlled skid at upwards of 70mph, to be honest the steering was too light even on the jetta which was fwd, best feel was a jag (ford mondeo chassis) with 4wd and the rwd stuff with USA steering was hopeless.

2nd April 2010, 15:58

Put a good high pressure in your front tyres and that will help a bit.

2nd April 2010, 16:07

no.

However after a long drive in every saxo i had, the steering used to get heavier and feel more responsive because of this.
Something was probably fucked. But am not the only person on here to notice it

2nd April 2010, 16:17

My ECU threw up a fault code that was an error in the power steering control circuit. The garage seemed to think my car was meant to have variable power steering..
Just a bit strange.
It was a 16V conversion, so maybe the ECU was from the wrong car..