:o my cambelts snapped !!!!!!

1. x_steph_vts_x Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Leicester Posts: 393 Wicked Red VTS

   #1 8th April 2010, 00:44

   Driiving in the middle of town 2day and im in the middle lane .. My car cuts out had ppl shouting at me effing and blinding !!
   Managed to push it into a car park ... turns out my cambelts snapped done something to the valves ...
   I loovved my saxo aswelll, now wot do i do ??
   Fix it . ?? Sell as spares or repairs . ?? or wot ???
2. Paulp Super Moderator Joined: Aug 2007 Lancashire Posts: 14256 Astra VXR + 1989 Astra GTE

   #2 8th April 2010, 00:45

   Probably best bet is to whack a new engine in.
   
   Probably bent some valves. Did you try starting it back up once it cut out?
3. x_steph_vts_x Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Leicester Posts: 393 Wicked Red VTS

   #3 8th April 2010, 00:48

   Yes and i no i shudnt off coz it makes it worse my dad says its bent all 16 valves !!
   I would get an engine but who to fit it ?? Its a big job
4. mardiGRANT Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Ghetto spec HQ Posts: 412 Saxo vtrS/ nissan 200sx s13

   #4 8th April 2010, 00:50

   If the cam belts snapped as above youve most likely bent some valves, its basically pricey either way you go, its either head off and have it sent away to have new valves etc replaced or new engine.
5. x_steph_vts_x Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Leicester Posts: 393 Wicked Red VTS

   #5 8th April 2010, 00:54

   Me dad reckons i need a new head and cambelt and it SHOULD be alriight ... He reckons all 16 valves r bent
   
   How much do you think it would be ??
6. rey Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Kent Posts: 8205 :(s)rac

   #6 8th April 2010, 00:56

   If I remember right, I think you can get a 16v head for around £150, not too sure tbh.
7. mardiGRANT Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Ghetto spec HQ Posts: 412 Saxo vtrS/ nissan 200sx s13

   #7 8th April 2010, 00:58

   Has he had the head off? It depends where you take it really.
8. Paulp Super Moderator Joined: Aug 2007 Lancashire Posts: 14256 Astra VXR + 1989 Astra GTE

   #8 8th April 2010, 00:58

   Swapping a VTS engine with another VTS engine from same year is a pretty easy job.
9. x_steph_vts_x Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Leicester Posts: 393 Wicked Red VTS

   #9 8th April 2010, 01:00

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Paul Swapping a VTS engine with another VTS engine from same year is a pretty easy job.

   hummmm its just finding one
10. Paulp Super Moderator Joined: Aug 2007 Lancashire Posts: 14256 Astra VXR + 1989 Astra GTE

    #10 8th April 2010, 01:03

    What year car is yours ?
11. mardiGRANT Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Ghetto spec HQ Posts: 412 Saxo vtrS/ nissan 200sx s13

    #11 8th April 2010, 01:03

    ebay or forsale threads on here 106owners 106 rallye they come alot. Ive got a tu5jp4 engine on the bay but wouldnt be a straight swap.
12. x_steph_vts_x Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Leicester Posts: 393 Wicked Red VTS

    #12 8th April 2010, 01:07

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Paul What year car is yours ?

    Y Reg ... 2001 I Think
13. Paulp Super Moderator Joined: Aug 2007 Lancashire Posts: 14256 Astra VXR + 1989 Astra GTE

    #13 8th April 2010, 01:09

    Yeah Y reg is 2001.
    
    Shame, my brothers got a spare 'older-version' engine in the garage that he could of sold you. Will be easier for you to buy a newer 3 plug engine though.
14. rey Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Kent Posts: 8205 :(s)rac

    #14 8th April 2010, 01:20

    The head would work fine though surely Paul?
15. sammyd Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2008 Belfast Northern Ireland Posts: 2739 2 citroen saxos 1.1 mk1's blue and a black and or

    #15 8th April 2010, 01:27

    gutted to hear this hope you get it fixed
16. liam-o Established Member Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 1346

    #16 8th April 2010, 01:50

    out of interest, how many miles on the clock and had the cam belt been replaced at any point
17. Paulp Super Moderator Joined: Aug 2007 Lancashire Posts: 14256 Astra VXR + 1989 Astra GTE

    #17 8th April 2010, 01:57

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rey The head would work fine though surely Paul?

    Doubt he would split the engine though
    
    
    Liam-o, its recommended you get the cambelt replaced around 65,000miles.
    
    I'd recommend doing it before then though, around 55,000.
18. Predator_R32p Super Moderator Joined: Mar 2003 Durham (England) Posts: 37932 1. AX 2. Mk2 Saxo VTR 3. MK4 R32 DBP

    #18 8th April 2010, 02:10

    Only way to find out the damage extent is to take the head off and check
19. liam-o Established Member Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 1346

    #19 8th April 2010, 08:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Paul Liam-o, its recommended you get the cambelt replaced around 65,000miles. I'd recommend doing it before then though, around 55,000.

    i know whats recommended, that why i was asking to see whether it went because its long overdue or just randomly :-p
20. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #20 8th April 2010, 09:40

    It's not just mileage that determines whether a cambelt needs doing, it's time too.
    
    Could do 20k in 5years and it'd still need to be done
21. x_steph_vts_x Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Leicester Posts: 393 Wicked Red VTS

    #21 8th April 2010, 09:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by liam-o out of interest, how many miles on the clock and had the cam belt been replaced at any point

    It needed doing ... it was overdue
    Cars done 106,000 miles quite alot really ive owned it 10 months ... And I don't think its had 1 4 a while
    
    My own fault really I should of had it changed but being the dippy girl I am .. I just get in and turn the key and think everything is fine
    
    Oh well im in this mess now ...
    Do you think its worth getting a new engine then and having it done .. or selling as spares or repairs ???
22. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #22 8th April 2010, 09:59

    I'd personally look to get a new engine in there.
    
    I wouldn't risk just dropping a new head on, especially if it's tried to start with it gone - would be nervous about the rods. Can drop a good head on but at your risk.
    
    Could drop any 16engine in and use the loom/sensors/Ecu from your current engine. Probably a weekends work to change it over.
23. x_steph_vts_x Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Leicester Posts: 393 Wicked Red VTS

    #23 8th April 2010, 10:03

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by raunchz I'd personally look to get a new engine in there. I wouldn't risk just dropping a new head on, especially if it's tried to start with it gone - would be nervous about the rods. Can drop a good head on but at your risk. Could drop any 16engine in and use the loom/sensors/Ecu from your current engine. Probably a weekends work to change it over.

    Thanks for your adviice
    Becuase I really don't know what to do lol

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24. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #24 8th April 2010, 10:09

    my mates cambelt slipped on his vtr he had the cam belt replaced and all 8 valves replaced for about £250 inc labour i think it was, the pistons had dents on them but apparantley they were fine and now its running fine, but he could have just bought a new engine for about £50-100 lol i converted my vtr to a vts in about a week working on it every day for a couple hours if i really spent a good couple days on it i would have got it done its pretty easy, and it'll be easy to find another engine they are all ways up for sale
25. x_steph_vts_x Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Leicester Posts: 393 Wicked Red VTS

    #25 8th April 2010, 10:14

    Gosshh that was a good price
    Where did he get that done at ??
    
    The only thing is ive got 16 valves to replace and aparently there a b*****d to do ..
    And when his cambelt went, Did he try starting the car ??
26. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #26 8th April 2010, 10:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by x_steph_vts_x Gosshh that was a good price Where did he get that done at ?? The only thing is ive got 16 valves to replace and aparently there a b*****d to do .. And when his cambelt went, Did he try starting the car ??

    yea he tried starting it for a long time lol but his belt only slipped a couple teeth didn't completely snap but every valve was bent though and like i said his car is running fine i know because i only live a couple doors away from him lol and he had some mobile mechanic to do it, we only live about 25/30miles east of leicester if you really wanted i could try and get his number, he'll be cheaper than any garage, but you'd probably have to pay for him to come out to you and have a look at the engine, but you could call him and have chat with him
27. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

    #27 8th April 2010, 11:08

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by raunchz I'd personally look to get a new engine in there. I wouldn't risk just dropping a new head on, especially if it's tried to start with it gone - would be nervous about the rods. Can drop a good head on but at your risk. Could drop any 16engine in and use the loom/sensors/Ecu from your current engine. Probably a weekends work to change it over.

    Im with Ross on this
    
    Any 16v engine will be fine, you'll just need to use your existing engine as a donar and swap over sensors and parts like that.
    
    If you dont know of anyone knowledgeable to help you out though anywhere you go will end up pricey
28. x_steph_vts_x Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Leicester Posts: 393 Wicked Red VTS

    #28 8th April 2010, 11:09

    Maybe its easier to just get a new car lol
29. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #29 8th April 2010, 11:46

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by x_steph_vts_x Maybe its easier to just get a new car lol

    dont be negative lol for £300 you could have it as good as new if you get your hands dirty lol
30. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #30 8th April 2010, 12:02

    If I was in Loughborough I'd change it over for you - it's not that hard to do, just takes a bit of time.
    
    I'm not back in Loughborough for another 3weeks unfortunately
    
    Someone on here should be able to help I'm sure
31. x_steph_vts_x Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Leicester Posts: 393 Wicked Red VTS

    #31 8th April 2010, 12:14

    I need to find a cheap head for it first not having much luck so far
32. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #32 8th April 2010, 12:20

    Try and check the piston height at tdc to give you an inclination as to whether the rod/s are okay
    
    Shouldn't be too hard to find a head setup on here, someone will come to your rescue!
33. user_33164 Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 245 16v ax s2 rsturbo 406hdi

    #33 8th April 2010, 13:08

    just change the head the pistons will prob be ok its not that big a job to do the head swap or replace the 16 bent valves head gasket and belt kit
    colin
34. akuakabucy Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Liverpool Posts: 596 Mk5 Golf GTTDI, Vauxhall Vivaro

    #34 8th April 2010, 14:01

    id personally go with the engine swap, as long as you get one that is proven working, such as from a rear ended write off then you have nothing to lose, plus it will definatly work. Just change the cam belt on that one also. Couldnt your dad do it for you? seems that hes mechanically minded?
35. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #35 8th April 2010, 14:07

    Get a C2 VTS engine on like 30k for £275, use the sensors and wiring loom from your saxo vts, redrill the head for saxo inlet or get the adapter plate from GMC for cable throttle body onto the ali inlet, job done
36. sqwidge Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2009 Grimsby Posts: 132 Citroen Saxo VTS

    #36 8th April 2010, 14:19

    I have a VTS engine and box available if your interested, its fully complete with loom, ecu etc, giz a text on 0779076559 if your interested
37. sqwidge Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2009 Grimsby Posts: 132 Citroen Saxo VTS

    #37 8th April 2010, 14:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sqwidge I have a VTS engine and box available if your interested, its fully complete with loom, ecu etc, giz a text on 0779076559 if your interested

    07792076559 sorry typo
38. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #38 8th April 2010, 14:21

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by db_sax Get a C2 VTS engine on like 30k for £275, use the sensors and wiring loom from your saxo vts, redrill the head for saxo inlet or get the adapter plate from GMC for cable throttle body onto the ali inlet, job done

    £275 for the engine with the ali inlet would be a bargain !!!
    
    Just the inlet costs that alone, let alone a nice jp4 head to go with it
39. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #39 8th April 2010, 14:30

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by raunchz £275 for the engine with the ali inlet would be a bargain !!! Just the inlet costs that alone, let alone a nice jp4 head to go with it

    PMing you mate, its £300 with everything sorted for a Saxo or £275 for the basics with the work left for you to sort out

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40. user_38198 Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 West Mids Posts: 1847 Peugeot 106 1.1

    #40 8th April 2010, 15:47

    My 1.1 is only on 30k on an 03 plate. REALLY need to get mine changed tbh. A 7 year old cambelt is a timebomb im afraid!
41. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #41 8th April 2010, 15:49

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Meto My 1.1 is only on 30k on an 03 plate. REALLY need to get mine changed tbh. A 7 year old cambelt is a timebomb im afraid!

    Get it changed asap
42. user_20683 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Woolwich Barracks Posts: 3921 52 Plate Black 8v R'

    #42 8th April 2010, 16:05

    Sorry to hear that, sounds annoying!
    
    Good luck
43. MiDnighTcLuB Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Weston-Super-Mare Posts: 672 Mapped 306 HDI

    #43 8th April 2010, 16:43

    mine on 69k and it's a 51 plate , i have no idea if it's ever been done but i'm hoping so ,, from the marks on the cambelt cover it's looking promising tho , will have to search throguh my service history and see if they have..
44. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #44 8th April 2010, 16:58

    Mine's an '03' plate on 38k - been told by a Pug/ Cit specialist to leave it for a bit longer. Probably get it done in a years time.
45. MiDnighTcLuB Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Weston-Super-Mare Posts: 672 Mapped 306 HDI

    #45 8th April 2010, 16:59

    when i worked at my garage the computers said to get it changed either every 75,000 in normal circumstances or 65,000 in extreme circumstances or every 10 years which ever comes first
46. user_40784 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2010 London Posts: 2768

    #46 8th April 2010, 18:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MiDnighTcLuB when i worked at my garage the computers said to get it changed either every 75,000 in normal circumstances or 65,000 in extreme circumstances or every 10 years which ever comes first

    The computer is right. I think the saxo's handbook recommends the same as above.
47. citroen_saxo_vtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2006 Norwich Posts: 2823 Vectra sri 2.6 v6

    #47 8th April 2010, 19:13

    First things first ladies! How do you know its bent valves? get it timed up and a new cambelt, you maybe a lucky girl and it start without bent valves, the worst that can happen is it then smash the valves up, either way your going to need a new head. Im going to get a 16v engine with a snapped cambelt and rebuild it, its not that hard to do if you put your brain into it.
48. liam-o Established Member Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 1346

    #48 8th April 2010, 20:42

    haynes recommends 80k miles, i had mine done at 75k, (i bought it on 73k)
    
    like said above, id change the engine, i know once my VTR dies (hopefully not for another year) im going to be dropping a VTS in
49. mc_neat Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 ilkeston/derbyshire Posts: 220 Saxo VTS Punto Sporting

    #49 8th April 2010, 21:40

    omg cnt bleive it..was u at mfn like 2 weeks ago on the opening night?i think i came to talk to u? had tht vts with black bonnet..i thought urs was pretty smart..i think you should get another engine in it...if you have a look at the for sale section on here ther is a few engines going for sale..and shudnt cost all tht much for a mechanic to drop it in for u..
50. user_43033 Established Member Joined: Mar 2010 Bradford Posts: 1490 '02 VTR, '92 106 XSI 16v

    #50 8th April 2010, 21:55

    Yerr it would have Fcuked ur enginee
    
    Happened to my bros fiesta and wasnt worth the repair.. but then again.. it was a only fiesta
51. x_steph_vts_x Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Leicester Posts: 393 Wicked Red VTS

    #51 9th April 2010, 14:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mc_neat omg cnt bleive it..was u at mfn like 2 weeks ago on the opening night?i think i came to talk to u? had tht vts with black bonnet..i thought urs was pretty smart..i think you should get another engine in it...if you have a look at the for sale section on here ther is a few engines going for sale..and shudnt cost all tht much for a mechanic to drop it in for u..

    Yeahh that was me lol ....
    
    Errm well ive decided to strip it down this weekend ... See what the damage is, get a new head for it and fitted should be ok agen then ...
    Its too good to scrap .. I paid 1600 for it 9 months ago and its just got 12 months m.o.t on it !! ...
    
    My advice to people though .. Make sure you have a cambelt change at so many miles .. You think they will never snap but if you do alot of miles like me then you could end up in my mess !!
52. user_20683 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Woolwich Barracks Posts: 3921 52 Plate Black 8v R'

    #52 9th April 2010, 15:00

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by x_steph_vts_x Yeahh that was me lol .... Errm well ive decided to strip it down this weekend ... See what the damage is, get a new head for it and fitted should be ok agen then ... Its too good to scrap .. I paid 1600 for it 9 months ago and its just got 12 months m.o.t on it !! ... My advice to people though .. Make sure you have a cambelt change at so many miles .. You think they will never snap but if you do alot of miles like me then you could end up in my mess !!

    Ill definately bare that in mind, hope it all goes ok
    
    Let us know though
53. x_steph_vts_x Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Leicester Posts: 393 Wicked Red VTS

    #53 9th April 2010, 15:04

    I will keep everyone updated
54. jonsey Established Member Joined: Mar 2010 huntingdon Posts: 1116 peugeot 106 gti

    #54 9th April 2010, 15:14

    shit im hopfully gettin mine done soon! was going to buy a manifold first but reading this im definatly going to get my cambelt changed!
    i love my car too much to see it fuck up!
    gutted to hear about thid though =[
55. Railroader Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 Bolton Posts: 1068 Saxo 1.4i sx

    #55 9th April 2010, 22:20

    Theres a VTS engine on this site
    
    http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=304693
    
    Have you see it? Isle of Wight though
56. mc_neat Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 ilkeston/derbyshire Posts: 220 Saxo VTS Punto Sporting

    #56 10th April 2010, 10:34

    ye just had mine dun 200 miles ago..and thnx for the add
57. Saxo-Mikey Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2009 Aberdeenshire Posts: 372 Sunbeam Alpine, Citroen Saxo VTR BMW z4

    #57 10th April 2010, 11:32

    yeah, ill need to get mine changed soon. my car '01' y reg has done almost 150k and im not too sure when it was actually changed. ive done 10k miles in the past 6 months so i recon it will be the next thing on my list knowing my luck with having soo much parts going such as the driveshaft and last week it was the brakes!
58. x_steph_vts_x Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Leicester Posts: 393 Wicked Red VTS

    #58 10th April 2010, 11:52

    Id deffo get them changed when you can
59. Saxo-Mikey Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2009 Aberdeenshire Posts: 372 Sunbeam Alpine, Citroen Saxo VTR BMW z4

    #59 10th April 2010, 12:02

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by x_steph_vts_x Id deffo get them changed when you can

    yeah, lol. ive had someone who wanted £300 to get it changed......was a bit on the pricey side if you ask me....
60. kyle4256 Established Member Joined: Feb 2008 dundee Posts: 1844 saxo vts

    #60 10th April 2010, 14:28

    i have a spare head for sale came off a 2000 plate but would fit urs no bother its been skimmed recently
61. x_steph_vts_x Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Leicester Posts: 393 Wicked Red VTS

    #61 3rd May 2010, 21:13

    I dont need one now
    Shes back on the road after 6 loooooong weeks
62. user_43898 Established Member Joined: May 2010 leicester Posts: 1446 Clio 182 Inferno

    #62 3rd May 2010, 21:32

    nice, but now im paranoid about mine, just bought the car its on 130k lol, im a mechanic so can do it myself but never have the time , i better drive slow lol
63. user_39173 Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2009 Hull Posts: 983 01' Ph1 VTS

    #63 4th May 2010, 01:20

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by x_steph_vts_x Driiving in the middle of town 2day and im in the middle lane .. My car cuts out had ppl shouting at me effing and blinding !! Managed to push it into a car park ... turns out my cambelts snapped done something to the valves ... I loovved my saxo aswelll, now wot do i do ?? Fix it . ?? Sell as spares or repairs . ?? or wot ???

    Why does everyone bin there cars when they bend a valve to two?? i did my mates 16v clio its a average job imo then again ive trained to be a mechanic... its a job woth doing dont bin a VTS :'( get a new lump or fix it please!
64. Railroader Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 Bolton Posts: 1068 Saxo 1.4i sx

    #64 4th May 2010, 03:56

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by x_steph_vts_x I dont need one now Shes back on the road after 6 loooooong weeks

    So how did you get it fixed? You said you would keep us updated!
65. warner88vts Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2009 thame Posts: 146 Citroen Saxo Vts...

    #65 15th May 2010, 17:31

    ouch not good try find another head or put new valves in it