confussed / bored

17th April 2010, 21:01

right car hasnt idled properly since vtr mani has been on....

replaced the ICV
also done the throttle cable today.... since then the car cuts out all the time....

little help please

19th April 2010, 21:49

thought i sorted this yesterday night... car ran perfect last night and all this mornin but tonight it started cuttin out again and not idling....

any more ideas?

19th April 2010, 22:11

Lambda sensor, if you had to change or fiddle with it when you fitted the VTR manifold...if you mean exhaust manifold?

19th April 2010, 22:19

nope inlet manifold

20th April 2010, 00:02

i have it on mine and it runs spot on...

Check and make sure all small pipes that don't go into anything are air tight so no air can escape this makes idle iratic, i think i did this for 2 of my pipes.

Then to get perfect idle the ICV big black hose needs to be plumped air tightly into the air filter to gain a reading of how much air is going in, also clean map sensor and icv, take battery for 20mins and reset, let it sit and idle for at least 10 minute to get a good idle. Also before starting engine engage to ignition do not turn car on leave on ignition for 30 seconds then off again do this three times this resets all sensors, then let idle for ten minutes, hope this help any problems let me know...

20th April 2010, 09:03

ye done most of that mate....

it works really well when it wants then kills itself when life gets to hard, i will go round and give it all a clean to day and see what the out come is

thanks for your help tho mate

20th April 2010, 11:56

i've looked in your progress thread and you have put the second pipe into the breather system, i'm pretty sure that second pipe on mine is fullt air tight but not back into the system, also why is your ICV plumbed into the rocker cover? it needs to be plumbed into the air filter system to get a reading, i shall get pics of mine later in the week for you...

Also make sure your using the correct sensors as im sure you have to use a furio sensor and once its set up and running don't take your battery off unless necessary.

20th April 2010, 15:52

ye a picture would help please

... i took the map sensor off now and replaced that as it was buggered and the bolt was rusted into place

but a picturre of your set up would help please mate

20th April 2010, 16:06

Idle Air Control Valve dosent take a reading its a valve as the name suggests. It just does whats its told to do. Use all your Furio Sensors if your using VTR ones, also what have you done about injectors if you have put the whole inlet onto your furio?

20th April 2010, 16:16

The manifold doesnt interfere with the injectors at all, unless he has removed them to get his hands to the bottom nuts of the mani

20th April 2010, 16:19

it also depends for the sensors as well

as if you put a VTR mani on a Quiky then you have to use the Quiky stepper motor

I'd use all of your VTR sensors bar the stepper one

ICV is just a pin that moves back and forth rapidly

20th April 2010, 18:12

the stepper motor being where abouts??

the car does what it wants at the moment

20th April 2010, 18:48

Stepper Motor and ICV are the same thing.

20th April 2010, 19:28

Lol stepper motor and ICV are the same....i used all VTR sensors !

Injectors do not play a role here...

Will get a pic in a sec,

20th April 2010, 20:07

ye ive used all vtr sensors... except for the one at the very front ( think its the map sensor) as that was fu*ked, so i have the one of my old mani which was the same size etc

20th April 2010, 20:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by samueljonburgess

ye ive used all vtr sensors... except for the one at the very front ( think its the map sensor) as that was fu*ked, so i have the one of my old mani which was the same size etc

actually your right furio map sensor should be used,

Got pics just ran out off battery bare with me

20th April 2010, 20:45

Here you go mate....

20th April 2010, 20:47

Hope this helps i did rotate them the correct way, if you need any more details closer pics give me a bell i'll get them in the daylight tomorrow.

20th April 2010, 22:54

the only diffrence we have is that the first pipe off the front of the mani goes to the oil breather and mine is blocked as ive got a catch tank.

but mine is also cammed.... this have a big role to play init you rekon??... as its now gettin more air so just killin itself.

ignor the pipes in that one i tried that and it didnt like it... but as you can see i have a elbow coming out and goin to the catch tank

20th April 2010, 23:12

i had a similar problem 2 this with my vtr turned out it was the starter moter it needed replacing all of this happened cause i removed the battery

20th April 2010, 23:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by mainy91

i had a similar problem 2 this with my vtr turned out it was the starter moter it needed replacing all of this happened cause i removed the battery

Whats a starter motor got to do with the cars idle or it cutting out

It does what it says, cranks the engine over starting it, after that its disengaged and does fk all once the engines firing and running itself. You dont even need a starter motor on a car for it to run, just bump start it all the time lol but you get the point..

21st April 2010, 01:03

Hmm mate where is your icv plumbed into? Make sure its air tight try some duct tape even if its messy it will narrow down the problem for now, also make sure all them pipes are blocked using a screw and jubilee clip the ones that need to anyways, try wothout the oil catch tank and push the correct top part of yhe rocker cover on and connect it all up.

21st April 2010, 11:42

If he dosent use the catch tank then what would go into the catch tank will go in with the air and lower the octane of the fuel.

I cant see that being the problem of your idle, its as much as having the dipstick not pushed in properly..

The problem you got atm can be a long winded problem and is one reason i wouldnt buy a car with that problem in the first place.

All i would do is check where is meant to be air tight IS air tight, and swap over sensors from another car that you know is working. I havnt read through the thread properly so might all be irrelivent, sorry if it is!

21st April 2010, 13:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by db_sax

If he dosent use the catch tank then what would go into the catch tank will go in with the air and lower the octane of the fuel.

I cant see that being the problem of your idle, its as much as having the dipstick not pushed in properly..

The problem you got atm can be a long winded problem and is one reason i wouldnt buy a car with that problem in the first place.

All i would do is check where is meant to be air tight IS air tight, and swap over sensors from another car that you know is working. I havnt read through the thread properly so might all be irrelivent, sorry if it is!

I know the catch tank won't make a difference, but on the end of the clip that clips onto the rocker cover has a very small pipe which lets out a very small amount of air, when mine snapped mine ideled all over the shop, so if the stndard one is put on in its place making the air go through the smaller pipe it may sort the idle out, the car wasn't purchased with an idle issue he has fitted a VTR inlet to a furio and is trying to get it to run right, but also has cams which may play a role.

Very hard to explain but if needed i'll attack some pictures and some kind of diagram...

21st April 2010, 14:00

I get you yee, ive got the same inlet on my engine but cant rmmeber how its setup lol.

Yeh was just saying that this problem can be on going which is why i wouldnt buy one with the problem.

If trying whats been suggested dont work then get it on the diognostics

21st April 2010, 14:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by db_sax

I get you yee, ive got the same inlet on my engine but cant rmmeber how its setup lol.

Yeh was just saying that this problem can be on going which is why i wouldnt buy one with the problem.

If trying whats been suggested dont work then get it on the diognostics

db sax speaks sense then you would know if a sensor is faulty, could also come down to a lambda sensor but i doubt it.

21st April 2010, 14:11

Heres what should be done, i will also find the guide for you now.

21st April 2010, 14:17

Also read this...

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...ight=vtr+inlet

21st April 2010, 14:29

You can use all VTR sensors, but Furio map sensor is really whats needed.

Wow im sure you can sort it now !

21st April 2010, 14:31

he already has the furio map sensor i believe

21st April 2010, 14:58

Right a few more...

You need this part, this pipe goes over a smaller pipe and restricts the air flow, then mine snapped it caused crazy idling. Was about £8 from Citroen iirc.

21st April 2010, 15:41

also got a quistion about this subject. I've also got a 1.4 with a vtr inlet. I used al the vtr sensors but when i'm shift into next gear it keeps holding on to the revs a little bit longer then it supposed to(the revs dont drop back imediatly). any one else got this problem? or knows a solution?(maby use a 1.4 map sensor?)

sorry for the hijack

21st April 2010, 19:52

Kistigun read this whole thread through and try to locate the problem look at the differences in mine and yours set up, check for air tight seals and wires along woth your icv beinh clean and plumbed into the induction kit.

21st April 2010, 20:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by baker556

Kistigun read this whole thread through and try to locate the problem look at the differences in mine and yours set up, check for air tight seals and wires along woth your icv beinh clean and plumbed into the induction kit.

got the same set up as you, all is air tight and icv is clean. only \difference is: i use a vtr map sensor

21st April 2010, 20:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by kistigun

got the same set up as you, all is air tight and icv is clean. only \difference is: i use a vtr map sensor

change it to a furio

21st April 2010, 22:15

ye got it all sorted today

touch wood... ive done whats been done on the pic... ill get a picture up of how ive done it to what you said.

also while the car was running shit (started car up and it was tickin over fine then reved it and the revs stayed up) i unplugged the throttle positioning sensor and pluged back in, seemed to run fine after that, taken it out down the lanes tonight seemed to be fine.

22nd April 2010, 11:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by samueljonburgess

ye got it all sorted today

touch wood... ive done whats been done on the pic... ill get a picture up of how ive done it to what you said.

also while the car was running shit (started car up and it was tickin over fine then reved it and the revs stayed up) i unplugged the throttle positioning sensor and pluged back in, seemed to run fine after that, taken it out down the lanes tonight seemed to be fine.

Good stuff matey !

Hopefully all sorted now !

22nd April 2010, 13:18

i think it is... still doesnt start from cold but i think thats the larger cam and larger inlet now

thanks alot for your help mate, will have a play when i get home to see how it is