manifold or performance cams

1. landy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 south elmsall Posts: 5147 cammed vtr

   #1 1st April 2006, 00:41

   just had my exhaust decatted love the sound of it now was gonna get either a 4-2-1 manifold or performance cams put in next friday but not sure which to do first
   1)how much will each cost
   2)wot difference will it make to my car
   can get them all fitted by my mate he'll charge me £40 for manifold and cams
   !!!!!!HELP!!!!!!!
   
2. tommycool25 Newbie Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 28

   #2 1st April 2006, 02:02

   your looking at £150 up to £250 for a nice and tidy stainless steel manifold.
   raceland are doing a cracking 4-2-1 manifold on ebay for about £130.
   
   you should get a nice raspy sound from the manifold. i had a gmc 4-1 manifold on my car and it was very raspy.... nice performance increase though.
   
   your cams you'll be looking at £400 for the actual cams and a remap.
   
   but you should be taking off like a missile after all that...
   only thing is if you tune the tits off the vtr engine you will lose the low down torque that the vtr is good for...
   16v is probably the best upgrade you can do.
   
   
3. saxoash Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2005 East Yorkshire United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6169 VTR

   #3 1st April 2006, 02:14

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by tommycool25 your looking at £150 up to £250 for a nice and tidy stainless steel manifold. raceland are doing a cracking 4-2-1 manifold on ebay for about £130. you should get a nice raspy sound from the manifold. i had a gmc 4-1 manifold on my car and it was very raspy.... nice performance increase though. your cams you'll be looking at £400 for the actual cams and a remap. but you should be taking off like a missile after all that... only thing is if you tune the tits off the vtr engine you will lose the low down torque that the vtr is good for... 16v is probably the best upgrade you can do.

   yes but a 4-2-1 manifold increases low down torque so all will be well
4. landy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 south elmsall Posts: 5147 cammed vtr

   #4 1st April 2006, 02:36

   so which would u have done first
   
5. Sean Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2005 St Andrews United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 7384 Green mk1 vtr/s and Focus zetec

   #5 1st April 2006, 04:17

   no real point in camming without doing headwork first and then remapping once the cam is in so if you can afford to have all 3 done at once then go for a the cam. if not then go for the manifold.
6. landy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 south elmsall Posts: 5147 cammed vtr

   #6 1st April 2006, 04:35

   so manifold then cam then re mapping just bought oz's bmc kit
7. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

   #7 1st April 2006, 14:08

   yeah fannymould first. get all your breathing mods done first
8. landy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 south elmsall Posts: 5147 cammed vtr

   #8 1st April 2006, 15:26

   manifold is gettin fitted friday were is best place to get one fro
9. gafvts Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2005 hull Posts: 2566 supercharged saxo vts

   #9 1st April 2006, 15:57

   gmc motosport mate,wise choice going for this first
10. landy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 south elmsall Posts: 5147 cammed vtr

    #10 1st April 2006, 17:20

    i want a 4-2-1 manifold i want it for set off and acceleration
11. landy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 south elmsall Posts: 5147 cammed vtr

    #11 2nd April 2006, 23:02

    so which one 4-2-1 or 4-1
12. cammedvtr Established Member Joined: Mar 2005 hull United Kingdom (England) Posts: 1518 saxo vtr

    #12 3rd April 2006, 04:13

    4-2-1 manifold for torque mate. dont think gmc do a 4-2-1, but i may be wrong. i did manifold first then cam and post and polish together and youve seen my baby roll.lol. good luck mate
13. l1ukeRS Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2005 Telford United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3962 Focus RS Saxo Vtr

    #13 3rd April 2006, 14:55

    noticed u got a mk2 vtr mate how did u decat it without buyin a new manifold?
14. saxoash Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2005 East Yorkshire United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6169 VTR

    #14 3rd April 2006, 16:08

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by landy so which one 4-2-1 or 4-1

    Raceland 4-2-1 here you go Click here for link
15. WestyVTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin

    #15 3rd April 2006, 18:23

    decat is easy peasy if its an Early Mk2 as the cat is under the car, as mine was!
    
    im also looking for a cam & 4-2-1 mild steal tho, best cam options fopr midrange torque anyone?????
16. l1ukeRS Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2005 Telford United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3962 Focus RS Saxo Vtr

    #16 3rd April 2006, 20:58

    ohh i didnt no that i thought the cat was in the manifold on all mk2 sax's u learn summat new evryday
17. landy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 south elmsall Posts: 5147 cammed vtr

    #17 3rd April 2006, 23:39

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxoash Quote: Originally Posted by landy so which one 4-2-1 or 4-1 Raceland 4-2-1 here you go Click here for link

    cheers ash
18. cammedvtr Established Member Joined: Mar 2005 hull United Kingdom (England) Posts: 1518 saxo vtr

    #18 4th April 2006, 02:54

    landy, plus if you buy the manifold first, when you port and polish it, it will be correct to the new manifold port sizes and shapes.
19. landy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 south elmsall Posts: 5147 cammed vtr

    #19 4th April 2006, 03:22

    nice one my plans r as follows
    1. manifold
    2.cams ans re-mapped
    3. port and polish
    4. nitrous
    is this in the right order if not rearrenge them on how i should do them
20. Dan Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2003 Middlesbrough United Kingdom (England) Posts: 23676 Seat Leon FR

    #20 4th April 2006, 04:51

    Ive heard those raceland ones are not the best quality. I would stick with either gmc or supersprint.
21. cammedvtr Established Member Joined: Mar 2005 hull United Kingdom (England) Posts: 1518 saxo vtr

    #21 4th April 2006, 12:49

    wise words dan, both the names you mentioned are very good quality, but do the companys make 4-2-1 which is what he wants for torque. also long as you do the cam and head work together after the manifold you will be cool mate.
22. hesslevtr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr

    #22 4th April 2006, 21:22

    gmc dont do 4-2-1 for vtr
    
    gmc are quality fitted without no problems and im well impressed with mine
23. landy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 south elmsall Posts: 5147 cammed vtr

    #23 4th April 2006, 22:21

    im confussed with shall i get a 4-2-1 like ash as showed me or a gmc 4-1
24. Sean Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2005 St Andrews United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 7384 Green mk1 vtr/s and Focus zetec

    #24 4th April 2006, 22:28

    gmc mate
25. landy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 south elmsall Posts: 5147 cammed vtr

    #25 4th April 2006, 22:32

    y
26. Sean Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2005 St Andrews United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 7384 Green mk1 vtr/s and Focus zetec

    #26 4th April 2006, 22:40

    gmc mainfolds have proven power gains and are also the correct tuned length. and i tend to trust companies who have actually tested their products and don't just sell things by using a sales pitch without really knowing what they're talking about.
27. landy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 south elmsall Posts: 5147 cammed vtr

    #27 4th April 2006, 22:44

    how much r the gmc and were from
28. Sean Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2005 St Andrews United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 7384 Green mk1 vtr/s and Focus zetec

    #28 4th April 2006, 22:48

    you buy gmc manifolds from gmc funnily enough
    gmcmotorsport.co.uk
29. patrick2403 Established Member Joined: Oct 2005 Preston Posts: 1498 106 GTi

    #29 4th April 2006, 22:49

    from gmc
    
    here
30. landy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 south elmsall Posts: 5147 cammed vtr

    #30 4th April 2006, 22:56

    how much
31. landy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 south elmsall Posts: 5147 cammed vtr

    #31 4th April 2006, 22:58

    my cat is not on the downpipe is it
32. Sean Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2005 St Andrews United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 7384 Green mk1 vtr/s and Focus zetec

    #32 4th April 2006, 23:34

    look on the website under 'price list' for prices. i don't know if your cat is in the manifold, easy to find out though, and gmc sell for both mk1 and 2 vtr's.
33. landy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 south elmsall Posts: 5147 cammed vtr

    #33 4th April 2006, 23:39

    4-1 is gonna cost me 180 is this better than a 4-2-1
34. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #34 4th April 2006, 23:53

    neithers better than each other. depends what YOU want
35. Sean Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2005 St Andrews United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 7384 Green mk1 vtr/s and Focus zetec

    #35 4th April 2006, 23:55

    i would go for the gmc as the 4-1 will improve the mid range and top end, and the vtr has good low end torque anyway. and it's from gmc so you can't go wrong.
36. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #36 5th April 2006, 00:01

    agreed
37. landy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 south elmsall Posts: 5147 cammed vtr

    #37 5th April 2006, 00:08

    right a wanna get a manifold to improve my low end torque i wanna make it more faster settin of and improve my 0 60 and so on
38. Sean Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2005 St Andrews United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 7384 Green mk1 vtr/s and Focus zetec

    #38 5th April 2006, 00:13

    i think the supersprint manifolds are 4-2-1 and are the only ones which are the proper tuned length. if they're not the correct length then there's no point getting one. read the manifold section on the gmc site for the reasons why. personally if it was my money i'd still go for the gmc 4-1 as you'll notice the improvement more on a vtr.
39. hesslevtr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr

    #39 5th April 2006, 00:13

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by seanvtr81 i would as the 4-1 will improve the mid range and top end, and the vtr has good low end torque anyway. and it's from gmc so you can't go wrong.

    
    second
40. landy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 south elmsall Posts: 5147 cammed vtr

    #40 5th April 2006, 00:55

    right gonna order a gmc 4-1 on friday