Torsion bar update need help with one last thing

1. Phsyco_Paff Established Member Joined: Mar 2009 South East Posts: 2015 Phase 2 vts

   #1 23rd April 2010, 20:06

   Ok after attempt 3 lastnight i have given up all hope of my slide hammer getting the torsion bar to come out is there any outher tool that can be used ?
2. Olly Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Meerkat Harborough Posts: 2638 Saxo vtr mk 2

   #2 23rd April 2010, 20:12

   the socket and bolt method.
   
   Screw bolt into the torsion bar fully through a socket that rests on the beam, Then wind nut onto the bolt pushing against the socket to put tension on the bar outwards. Then give it a tap to 'free' it a little and re-tension the bolt. Repeat till it comes out, Or smack it out from the other side with a suitable drift...
   
   There is a guide on the rallye reg by sandy which details everything iirc...

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3. user_26394 Saxperience Addict Joined: Aug 2008 Bedworth Posts: 10221 106 gti

   #3 24th April 2010, 16:39

   Fuck that, get a metal bar and hammer the shit outta it till it comes free, this is the best method.
   
   Make sure you hit each bar from the correct side as your trailing arms will fall off
4. Adz Established Member Joined: Feb 2008 Derby Posts: 2343 at power bodied yellow 106gti monster

   #4 24th April 2010, 16:43

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Bickerton Fuck that, get a metal bar and hammer the shit outta it till it comes free, this is the best method. Make sure you hit each bar from the correct side as your trailing arms will fall off

   +1, best method anyday,
   
   you can only hit the torsion bars one way anyway as they will hit the trailing arm if not and the brake lines,
   
   best thing to do, hit it with a big hammer and bar as said, but get someone the otherside hitting the trailing arm back the other way, therefore it wont fall off,
   
   Adz
5. user_26394 Saxperience Addict Joined: Aug 2008 Bedworth Posts: 10221 106 gti

   #5 24th April 2010, 16:44

   Also an axles stand for the bar to rest on will help too
6. vtrsaz Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 tipton Posts: 248 saxo vtr mk2 51 plate 3.2 omega mv6 02 plate

   #6 24th April 2010, 20:33

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Adz +1, best method anyday, you can only hit the torsion bars one way anyway as they will hit the trailing arm if not and the brake lines, best thing to do, hit it with a big hammer and bar as said, but get someone the otherside hitting the trailing arm back the other way, therefore it wont fall off, Adz

   Even better,clamp the trailing arms on with a big g-clamp,as i did.Seemples
7. yetisvtr Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2008 milton keynes Posts: 334 saxo mk1 vtr in posssiiiii blue

   #7 24th April 2010, 20:41

   sod the slide hammer,no chance,the bolt and socket trick i tried on my old saxo and the bolt snapped!! i lowered my car this morning on the rear,take the torx bolt and washers out and put hex bolts in and hit them so you dont bust the threads in the torsion bar,nice bit of bar and a slege hammer,top bar is normaly seized the worse so it will take a few hits.hope that helps.
8. ashalex Newbie Joined: Jan 2009 Derbyshire Posts: 23 1998 reg Citroen saxo vtr cherry red- standard. 2

   #8 25th April 2010, 14:39

   Wouldt attempt the nut an bolt trick u will snapp more bolts than u cud imagine an the last thing u wont is a snapped bolt inside the torsion bar that u cant get bk out, i found the sledge hammer trick the best but make sure i dnt chew up any splines whist ur hammering away, also plenty ov wd40. hope that helps
9. Phsyco_Paff Established Member Joined: Mar 2009 South East Posts: 2015 Phase 2 vts

   #9 28th April 2010, 14:36

   Thanx for all the replies people i tried the socket method to no avail so will try smashing the shit out of it with a hammer.
   
   Also do you have to remove the arb as if i leave it in i wont have to worry about the trail arms falling off as it will hold them in place ?
   
   And also if im doing the passenger side i have to hit it from the drivers side and drivers side from the passanger side is that correct.
10. user_26394 Saxperience Addict Joined: Aug 2008 Bedworth Posts: 10221 106 gti

    #10 28th April 2010, 14:39

    Trailing arm wont fall off if you hit the bars from the correct sides.
    
    make sure you put a bot in the torsion bar when you hit it to save the trhread

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11. Phsyco_Paff Established Member Joined: Mar 2009 South East Posts: 2015 Phase 2 vts

    #11 28th April 2010, 16:01

    Hi right this is where im up to
    
    im now using a big bar and a hammer to wack the torsion bars out
    
    All torx bolts and washers are out
    
    The two 13mm arb bolts are out
    
    Both dampers are off
    
    The top torsion bar has to be hit from the drivers side and slide towards the passanger side IT AINT MOVING FOR SHIT
    
    The lower torsion bar is out.
12. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

    #12 28th April 2010, 17:09

    Have you managed to get the bottom bar out yet??
    
    If not and you're stuck ill PM you my number and ill explain how to do it. Saves me typing loads
13. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

    #13 29th April 2010, 09:47

    any luck?
14. Phsyco_Paff Established Member Joined: Mar 2009 South East Posts: 2015 Phase 2 vts

    #14 29th April 2010, 13:39

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by willsy any luck?

    The top torsion bar aint moving for shit.
    
    put it this way i turned a 13mm bolt into a 15mm bolt
    
    the buttom torsion bar is out thoe.
15. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

    #15 29th April 2010, 13:54

    Hopefully my explanation of doing it made sense

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16. Phsyco_Paff Established Member Joined: Mar 2009 South East Posts: 2015 Phase 2 vts

    #16 4th May 2010, 23:30

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by willsy Hopefully my explanation of doing it made sense

    Your explanation was spot on fella thanx for all the help still aint out thoe going to machine mart to bye some fire power hopefully that should loosen it up a bit.
17. Philly1983 Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2008 Wallsend, Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 230 53 Saxo VTR, 57 207

    #17 9th June 2010, 21:07

    Have you had any joy with this mate? my top torsion bar is stuck, two days of hammering and it aint moved a inch ?
18. jlrvtr Newbie Joined: May 2010 kegworth Posts: 10 saxo vtr

    #18 10th June 2010, 12:17

    mine was the same, top one wouldnt move at all and the bottom came out with a little persuasion so i just caked it in wd40 and tried it a week later and it slid out a treat
19. vtrsaz Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 tipton Posts: 248 saxo vtr mk2 51 plate 3.2 omega mv6 02 plate

    #19 10th June 2010, 13:27

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlrvtr mine was the same, top one wouldnt move at all and the bottom came out with a little persuasion so i just caked it in wd40 and tried it a week later and it slid out a treat

    Took me over the course of a few days,but it will go in the end.I used a 20mm solid bar and lump hammer,shame your not closer maye,you could have borrowed it,but i know how you feel,keep at it though.After refitting mine,i replaced the torx bolts with 13mm bolts caked in copper grease,and cleaned the end of torsion bars up with the linisher,and run the tap down the thread,also caked them in copper grease aswell.