Important! : help car wont start

27th April 2010, 18:11

hi peeps got a big problem i just started my car was running fine as usual then as i went to put it in gear it all just cut off and the only light that comes up now is the battery light none of the others are showing as they usually do it will turn over just wont fire what shall i do

27th April 2010, 18:20

is it turning over with ease mate or does it seem a bit tight if you know what i mean. things to check are battery leads. is there a spark to the plugs ie coil pack. you could take battery off for 15 mins then reconnect and try that. and check fuses and relays because as you say only one light is coming on now.

27th April 2010, 18:24

it turns over easy have checked all the fuses but were are the main relays that i should check?

27th April 2010, 18:27

the relays are under the bonnet mate. there is fuses under the bonnet and in the passenger side of car mate.

27th April 2010, 18:28

ive checked every fuse
not the relays though will have alook now

27th April 2010, 18:57

okay have checked all the fuses and relays and still nuthing have tryed resetting the fuel switch, so dont have a clue now only thing can think of is the imobiliser as dont get nuthing at all on the dash not even the fuel light or the temp light but the car will turn over with no problem at all am bit stumped now

27th April 2010, 19:02

take both leads off the battery for about 15/20 mins as my dads clio didnt start so that what i did and it started

27th April 2010, 19:03

have just done that while checking the fuses aint made no difference
but the fuel pump aint even priming aswell

27th April 2010, 19:05

take number 1 spark plug out see if you got spark

27th April 2010, 19:08

what will that tell me if it does or not?

27th April 2010, 19:33

just checked got no spark either

27th April 2010, 19:33

if you aint got spark then you car will never start then you have to looking deeper into your electric like your imobiliser has you key lost the code etc do you smell petrol etc

27th April 2010, 19:35

all i no is the hole dash is dead only light that shows is the battery light the fuel gauge and temp gauge dont even move lights and that still work and radio though must be somthin to do with the imobiliser side?
and no dont get no spell of petrol

27th April 2010, 20:21

anyone else wanna take a bash at this prob as i need the car so cant afford for it to be off the road :/

27th April 2010, 23:40

evening

28th April 2010, 13:39

right ive spoke to a gezza about this prob and he seems to think that its the ignition relay as power is coming out the barrel just not getting to the systems would that sound right and where would i find it as cant see it in the manual

28th April 2010, 15:42

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Originally Posted by Gazer

right ive spoke to a gezza about this prob and he seems to think that its the ignition relay as power is coming out the barrel just not getting to the systems would that sound right and where would i find it as cant see it in the manual

under the ECU tray, it'll be black or brown

28th April 2010, 15:59

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Originally Posted by Ax_beefy

under the ECU tray, it'll be black or brown

yeah ive found it can i just unplug it and put a new one in?

28th April 2010, 16:03

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Originally Posted by Gazer

yeah ive found it can i just unplug it and put a new one in?

yes, you might need to lever the clip out with a screwdriver, don't snap it though lol

28th April 2010, 16:33

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Originally Posted by Ax_beefy

yes, you might need to lever the clip out with a screwdriver, don't snap it though lol

lol i can see enough i think to unplug it do you think it will sort the prob though as power is goin through the barrel just not to any of the systems so persume is either a brake in the wire or that relay has gone?

28th April 2010, 16:55

Could be a problem with the fuse box board, could be a whole number of things. It could even be your ignition barrel wiring. If you can get hold of a cheap spare relay then its worth a shot

28th April 2010, 16:59

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Originally Posted by Ax_beefy

Could be a problem with the fuse box board, could be a whole number of things. It could even be your ignition barrel wiring. If you can get hold of a cheap spare relay then its worth a shot

yeah true but then surely the battery light wouldnt come on if was problem with the barrel?
and might get one from the scrap yard can it be out of any saxo?

28th April 2010, 20:48

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Originally Posted by Gazer

yeah true but then surely the battery light wouldnt come on if was problem with the barrel?
and might get one from the scrap yard can it be out of any saxo?

I'm not sure about compatability of other models I know the 3 plug vts one is wired slightly differently but don't know if the relay is the same. I'd say it was a safe bet its the relay though as starter is independant of it but the coil and the fuel pump etc come out of there

28th April 2010, 22:53

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Originally Posted by Ax_beefy

I'm not sure about compatability of other models I know the 3 plug vts one is wired slightly differently but don't know if the relay is the same. I'd say it was a safe bet its the relay though as starter is independant of it but the coil and the fuel pump etc come out of there

arr nice one will get to the scrap yard see if can pick one up frist

29th April 2010, 17:26

okay went scrapy and picked up 3 ignition relays and still no luck
anyone else got any ideas?
starting to get bit annoyed now lol

29th April 2010, 18:03

The crank sensor wiring etc. is all good I presume?

29th April 2010, 18:44

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Originally Posted by Ax_beefy

The crank sensor wiring etc. is all good I presume?

err aint sure aint checked it how would that stop all my dash lights and gauges working though?

29th April 2010, 21:49

It wouldn't lol, its just one that I find people tend to miss when they have a problem starting the car. You've checked all your earths and connections (battery to starter motor in particular)? If so and they're all ok the next place to look is your ignition barrel and fuse board

29th April 2010, 21:57

i had that problem, the wireing was burnt out on the alternator. also alternator could be nakerd.

29th April 2010, 22:27

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Originally Posted by Ax_beefy

It wouldn't lol, its just one that I find people tend to miss when they have a problem starting the car. You've checked all your earths and connections (battery to starter motor in particular)? If so and they're all ok the next place to look is your ignition barrel and fuse board

nice one bud will have alook at it 2moz got a mate coming round who knows more than me lol so will both have look at that

29th April 2010, 22:27

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Originally Posted by Tyler-Jamie

i had that problem, the wireing was burnt out on the alternator. also alternator could be nakerd.

did you have the exact same symptoms?

30th April 2010, 20:40

Bad times, u got it sorted yet mate?

30th April 2010, 21:22

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Originally Posted by Lilreg999

Bad times, u got it sorted yet mate?

nana not yet

1st May 2010, 12:28

anyone else got any ideas before i end up smashin my car to pieces with a hammer

1st May 2010, 15:53

Have you tried a new battery or alternator? if thats ok then:

Have you got a multimeter that has a sounder for buzz testing? I would start by buzzing the 3 barell wires, if they're ok then buzz from barrel wiring to fuse box, if thats ok from fusebox to glovebox connector, glove connector to engine loom connector then buzz the rest of the engine loom main circuit (alt and relay power). Somewhere in there will be a fault but I reckon if its not the ign relay then its going to be in the dash

1st May 2010, 18:25

defo know its not a battery problem and think the alternator is okay
and i dont have a multimeter but i think i get what your saying basicly test to see if power is going into the barrel and out again to the different fuse boxes and systems?

1st May 2010, 21:22

you still not fixed this Gaz... Jeez, Hope you sort it soon. Sounds like a byatch of a problem....

1st May 2010, 21:26

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Originally Posted by Carlvtr88

you still not fixed this Gaz... Jeez, Hope you sort it soon. Sounds like a byatch of a problem....

naaa i aint lol was thinking of robbing yours then switch the parts over

1st May 2010, 21:44

LOL you'd have a job...

lol Im in newtown at the min...So someone might beat you to it. lol

1st May 2010, 21:52

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Originally Posted by Carlvtr88

LOL you'd have a job...

lol Im in newtown at the min...So someone might beat you to it. lol

haha are ya already gone then son if ya wait ill push mine to ya

3rd June 2010, 23:59

You ever find a cure for this? My old mk1 vtr has your problem turned out to be crank sensor. Iv now got the problem with my 16v and cant find the problem.

4th June 2010, 00:07

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Originally Posted by citroen_saxo_vtr

You ever find a cure for this? My old mk1 vtr has your problem turned out to be crank sensor. Iv now got the problem with my 16v and cant find the problem.

yeah i did get it sorted turned out to be the igniton switch on the back of the barrel all i did was go the scrapy and get one and switch it over for mine it was all worn out and that but the one i put on was in brill nick could be that i wasnt gettin nuthin though so the power wasnt goin past the switch cuz the contacts had broke hope this helps ya

drop me a message if ya need help

4th June 2010, 00:20

Might dials all seem to work just wont start.......... gettin anoyed with it now.

4th June 2010, 00:24

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Originally Posted by citroen_saxo_vtr

Might dials all seem to work just wont start.......... gettin anoyed with it now.

you get dash lights then when the ignition is on?

you gettin fuel pump prime?

4th June 2010, 00:36

yep even a spark but it just turns over and over............