Raising Suspension on 106/Saxo

1. user_25927 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2008 East Devon Posts: 7472 Clio RS200 Cup, Twingo RS133, Triumph Street Tripl

   #1 29th April 2010, 11:43

   Just wondering how high the suspension can be raised, obiously it can only be raised as much as the dampers are long but if i had longer dampers (anyone know where i could get some??) how high could i get it?? on standard and with longer dampers, was looking at maybe 100mm higher than standard or maybe 150mm basically the higher the better.
2. CJ2404 L-plater Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 60 Black MK2 VTR

   #2 29th April 2010, 11:49

   Why u want to to lift mate?
3. user_25927 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2008 East Devon Posts: 7472 Clio RS200 Cup, Twingo RS133, Triumph Street Tripl

   #3 29th April 2010, 11:51

   Classic trialling, need to get back in it and i have a few saxo's kicking about so thought i'd use the parts and cars i have.
4. user_25927 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2008 East Devon Posts: 7472 Clio RS200 Cup, Twingo RS133, Triumph Street Tripl

   #4 29th April 2010, 12:33

   raunchz!!!!
   
   
5. user_25927 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2008 East Devon Posts: 7472 Clio RS200 Cup, Twingo RS133, Triumph Street Tripl

   #5 29th April 2010, 18:41

   
6. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #6 29th April 2010, 18:44

   got to think about the front wishbone, steering arm and ARB going anything higher than standard.
   
   Rear wise you couldn't go much higher than standard really I wouldn't have though.
   
   IMO just go standard height and then fit a larger profile tyre to try and raise the ride height a bit
7. user_25927 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2008 East Devon Posts: 7472 Clio RS200 Cup, Twingo RS133, Triumph Street Tripl

   #7 29th April 2010, 18:50

   well with the front i know i can put spacers in like we used to do on mk1 escorts, to raise it, probably about 30mm or so. so with the rear i can't go the other way on torsion bars, to increase the road height even if i did have longer dampers? thanks
8. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #8 29th April 2010, 19:18

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   Originally Posted by Jordysport well with the front i know i can put spacers in like we used to do on mk1 escorts, to raise it, probably about 30mm or so. so with the rear i can't go the other way on torsion bars, to increase the road height even if i did have longer dampers? thanks

   What do you mean spacers ? Like hub spacers ?
   
   You could raise the rear. I've not tried it so can't say for sure. I'd imagine the torsion bar clearance would get tight and you have to think about the rubber brake pipes.
   
   If you really wanted to do it then i can imagine raising the rear would be a bit task - I'd be more worried about raising the front with wishbones tbh and the steering arms on the strut, o and the arb and droplinks etc.
9. user_25927 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2008 East Devon Posts: 7472 Clio RS200 Cup, Twingo RS133, Triumph Street Tripl

   #9 29th April 2010, 19:25

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   Originally Posted by raunchz What do you mean spacers ? Like hub spacers ? You could raise the rear. I've not tried it so can't say for sure. I'd imagine the torsion bar clearance would get tight and you have to think about the rubber brake pipes. If you really wanted to do it then i can imagine raising the rear would be a bit task - I'd be more worried about raising the front with wishbones tbh and the steering arms on the strut, o and the arb and droplinks etc.

   no what we used to do was space the stut out from the body so between the top mount of the strut and the top mount of the chassis/top mount
   
   ok will give it a bash at some point, can always get some longer braided lines made up.
10. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #10 29th April 2010, 20:00

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    Originally Posted by Jordysport no what we used to do was space the stut out from the body so between the top mount of the strut and the top mount of the chassis/top mount ok will give it a bash at some point, can always get some longer braided lines made up.

    you will still have problems with the steering arm, arb and droplink.
    
    Just another thing I've thought about is driveshaft angle, if you moved the strut down by 100mm then not sure that'd be ideal!
11. user_25927 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2008 East Devon Posts: 7472 Clio RS200 Cup, Twingo RS133, Triumph Street Tripl

    #11 29th April 2010, 20:20

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    Originally Posted by raunchz you will still have problems with the steering arm, arb and droplink. Just another thing I've thought about is driveshaft angle, if you moved the strut down by 100mm then not sure that'd be ideal!

    No that 100mm i was reffering to the rear only. for the front 30mm, ok well i will raise my lowered beam back to standard.
12. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #12 29th April 2010, 20:23

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    Originally Posted by Jordysport No that 100mm i was reffering to the rear only. for the front 30mm, ok well i will raise my lowered beam back to standard.

    you'd be better running like a 60 profile tyre (195/60/15) instead of playing about with the suspension etc !!
    
    You'll want to raise the rear to match to front, so 100mm on the rear and 30mm on the front is a sketchy setup !!
    
    going from a 45 profile tyre to a 60 profile tyre will increase your ground clearance by 30mm
13. user_25927 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2008 East Devon Posts: 7472 Clio RS200 Cup, Twingo RS133, Triumph Street Tripl

    #13 29th April 2010, 20:34

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    Originally Posted by raunchz you'd be better running like a 60 profile tyre (195/60/15) instead of playing about with the suspension etc !! You'll want to raise the rear to match to front, so 100mm on the rear and 30mm on the front is a sketchy setup !! going from a 45 profile tyre to a 60 profile tyre will increase your ground clearance by 30mm

    Ok, will get the rear back to standard height and bung on some big 60 profile tyres. . will have to remove bumpers aswell i think.
14. user_25927 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2008 East Devon Posts: 7472 Clio RS200 Cup, Twingo RS133, Triumph Street Tripl

    #14 29th April 2010, 20:41

    What do you rekon is the biggest profile i could get on within reason???
    
    195/70/15???? or i could use vtr alloys.
15. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #15 29th April 2010, 20:43

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    Originally Posted by Jordysport What do you rekon is the biggest profile i could get on within reason??? 195/70/15???? or i could use vtr alloys.

    195 70 15 seems to be a common'ish size.
    
    You'll have to think about clearances though - for rubbing, arches etc. but that won't be a problem if you cut away at things as it's going offroad
16. NorthernIrishScouser L-plater Joined: May 2010 Belfast Posts: 36 2002 Saxo VTR

    #16 28th May 2010, 18:52

    Is it much hassle to raise the back torsion bar? Driving aaround in a "chopper" style vtr atm..not good
17. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #17 28th May 2010, 19:17

    Nope - pretty easy to do
18. NorfolkunGood L-plater Joined: Feb 2012 norfolk Posts: 82 Blue 2001 VTS for Motorsport

    #18 28th February 2012, 21:42

    Ressurecting this old thread as also doing classic trialling with Saxo.
    
    Have had a look at guides for lowering torsion bars which are all pretty helpful. One question, when you are lowering torsion bars you can put a jack in under the suspension arm to support it at a given height before re installing torsion bar.
    When you need to raise the height how do you get the suspension arm at the height you want?
19. user_25927 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2008 East Devon Posts: 7472 Clio RS200 Cup, Twingo RS133, Triumph Street Tripl

    #19 28th February 2012, 23:47

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    Originally Posted by NorfolkunGood Ressurecting this old thread as also doing classic trialling with Saxo. Have had a look at guides for lowering torsion bars which are all pretty helpful. One question, when you are lowering torsion bars you can put a jack in under the suspension arm to support it at a given height before re installing torsion bar. When you need to raise the height how do you get the suspension arm at the height you want?

    No probs buddy, you will see me on the hills occaisionally flying a skoda estelle, mk1 escort or a liege.
    
    Jack car up and put it on axle stands, get a jack and rest it under the disc and undo the damper (remove bolt) then slide the torsion bar out as with lowering. then lower the jack to desired height (how much you want to raise it) Re insert torsion bar and repeat for the other side.
20. NorfolkunGood L-plater Joined: Feb 2012 norfolk Posts: 82 Blue 2001 VTS for Motorsport

    #20 29th February 2012, 21:42

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    Originally Posted by Jordysport No probs buddy, you will see me on the hills occaisionally flying a skoda estelle, mk1 escort or a liege. Jack car up and put it on axle stands, get a jack and rest it under the disc and undo the damper (remove bolt) then slide the torsion bar out as with lowering. then lower the jack to desired height (how much you want to raise it) Re insert torsion bar and repeat for the other side.

    Nice one Jordy, thought that was how it would be done, but wasnt 100%. Will press on now. I plan to raise it as much as brake pipes will allow me to.