Saxsport vs Kam Racing System

  1. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2009 Plymouth Posts: 2584 E91 330D
    #1
    Is it really worth spending the extra 30 odd squids on the kam racing system (plus fitting kit) ?

    Do they sound the same ? Give the same performance ?

    Am wanting a real raspy, popping exhaust. And yeah I know a 421/41 manifold will make it pop lol.

    Ta
  2. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Bristol/Bucks Posts: 2931 N3CNM 8v y0¬!
    #2
    Isnt the saxsport mild steel too?
  3. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #3
    The saxsport is stainless
  4. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2009 Plymouth Posts: 2584 E91 330D
    #4
    Have been told mild steel sounds better than stainless ?

    And as for performance side of things:

    The saxpsport made 111bhp on the VTR, originally 106bhp. Obviously a strong healthy engine but how does the Kam racing system compare ? Enough to warrant paying the extra 30 quid on the fittting kid/rubbers which come free with the SaxSport ?
  5. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #5
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MikeyW View Post
    Have been told mild steel sounds better than stainless ?
    thats the sound of the rust forming
  6. Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2006 Frome, down deepest, darkest zummerset Posts: 12971 VTRallye
    #6
    personally id get the Kam Racing system...

    the service Kam offer is far better than that of 106parts (who iirc got the saxsport made for them and they are the distributor of it, even though its made by scorpion...)
  7. Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2009 Kingsteignton Posts: 748 1998 citreon saxo westcoast 1.4i
    #7
    but kam what about the power difference is the saxsport better for performance cus i was looking at getting your one until i saw saxsport now i dont know what to get lol
  8. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2009 Plymouth Posts: 2584 E91 330D
    #8
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KamRacing View Post
    thats the sound of the rust forming
    Haha good point, another amazing feature of Ashley exhaust systems
  9. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #9
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vinceuk View Post
    but kam what about the power difference is the saxsport better for performance cus i was looking at getting your one until i saw saxsport now i dont know what to get lol
    Truthfully I cannot say as I have never seen a saxsport. I sell the peugeot sport exhaust and I think mine are better made as its easy to compare each. Ours is much lighter too. Read up on what we have done to get the Kam Racing exhaust to what we think is the best available and you will hopefully be able to decide. Ours has nice gentle radius bends to keep the flow as fast as possible and every weld joint has been looked at to make sure it does not inhibit flow.
  10. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2009 Plymouth Posts: 2584 E91 330D
    #10
    Forgot to mention, the price I stated was the supersprint centre section aswell, not your new one Kam.

    Any chance of the free fitting like you did on the old ones ?
  11. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast
    #11
    I fully recommend kams service, just for that it's worth the extra 30quid
  12. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2009 Soton - Hedge End Posts: 3143 TT 225, Charged Eunos
    #12
    Is it defo going 30 more for the kam steel over the mild steel ss centre section?

    Difference in sound?
  13. Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Surrey Posts: 1228 Trophy #433
    #13
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KamRacing View Post
    Truthfully I cannot say as I have never seen a saxsport. I sell the peugeot sport exhaust and I think mine are better made as its easy to compare each. Ours is much lighter too. Read up on what we have done to get the Kam Racing exhaust to what we think is the best available and you will hopefully be able to decide. Ours has nice gentle radius bends to keep the flow as fast as possible and every weld joint has been looked at to make sure it does not inhibit flow.
    Seeing as you sell both, would it not be an idea for you to hire a rolling road for an hour & test the Saxsport/your system back to back. Id happily let you use my car for the testing - i have a saxsport.

    Would answer many of the questions that people have
  14. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS
    #14
    Not sure about the 'new' Kam Racing system, but the old one was made by Piper which certainly don't make crap exhausts. I know a lot of Saxos which have made good power on the rollers with Piper exhausts (although I know that's not very scientific).

    From what I've heard, the Saxsport is loud - not sure whether the noise levels would be ok for track? My exhaust is similar to the old Kam system and has a boxed centre pipe - definitely track friendly.
  15. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #15
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sir_dave View Post
    Seeing as you sell both, would it not be an idea for you to hire a rolling road for an hour & test the Saxsport/your system back to back. Id happily let you use my car for the testing - i have a saxsport.

    Would answer many of the questions that people have
    We can look into this. It would be interesting to see the results.

    Kev
  16. Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Surrey Posts: 1228 Trophy #433
    #16
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KamRacing View Post
    We can look into this. It would be interesting to see the results.

    Kev
    Let me know
  17. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2009 Plymouth Posts: 2584 E91 330D
    #17
    Think I might just bite the bullet and go for the Kam system.

    Any chance of the saxperience deal you used to do on the old system which was the free fitting kit ?
  18. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Down't road from Sheffield Posts: 4641 Was:16v 106 XS ..... Now: Import 1.8 MX5
    #18
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by LeeumH View Post
    From what I've heard, the Saxsport is loud - not sure whether the noise levels would be ok for track? My exhaust is similar to the old Kam system and has a boxed centre pipe - definitely track friendly.

    The Saxsport is just a Pugsport with a different tip, and mine's never been measured at any more than 90db, so the Saxsport shouldn't have any issues with sound limits.


    Both look like great systems, so it's purely down to personal preference, the Saxsport is essentially a Pugsport, so is already well known for being a good system for performance. Yet the Kam system is considerably lighter, and also seems to be gaining a good reputation.

    Anyone know how the Saxsports fit? As most know, the Scorpion Pugsports tend to have issues with keeping them level etc.
  19. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2006 Sunderland Posts: 3052 52 VTS, 172 Cup
    #19
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by titchster View Post
    The Saxsport is just a Pugsport with a different tip, and mine's never been measured at any more than 90db, so the Saxsport shouldn't have any issues with sound limits.


    Both look like great systems, so it's purely down to personal preference, the Saxsport is essentially a Pugsport, so is already well known for being a good system for performance. Yet the Kam system is considerably lighter, and also seems to be gaining a good reputation.

    Anyone know how the Saxsports fit? As most know, the Scorpion Pugsports tend to have issues with keeping them level etc.
    The saxsport fit is decent mate, however you do need to play around with them to make them sit 'better' at first.

    As regards to the noise you would think they would sound like pug sports but when me and aly off here fitted mine it sounded nothing like his pug sport on his 106 gti
  20. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Down't road from Sheffield Posts: 4641 Was:16v 106 XS ..... Now: Import 1.8 MX5
    #20
    Don't forget the tone changes when they carbon up, Pugsports change noticeably in tone.
  21. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2006 Sunderland Posts: 3052 52 VTS, 172 Cup
    #21
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by titchster View Post
    Don't forget the tone changes when they carbon up, Pugsports change noticeably in tone.
    Yes mate but even after a good month or so they sounded completely different, was quite strange actually considering the only difference was where the tip is, it was different to chris205's pugsport on his 16v rallye aswell come to think of it
  22. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #22
    The official peugeot sport systems have different internals apparently. Thats what Special tuning say is different to the version 106parts sell. Special Tuning hold the patents to the pugsport. We buy through them but i'm not going to cut two up to compare for curiosity sake. I think its a touchy subject for all three parties so its hard to get information out of any. Certainly we cannot buy them direct from Scorpion despite being a retailer of their products...
  23. Established Member Joined: Dec 2010 Aberdeen Posts: 2129 Race: 106 Rallye 16v. Road: Mercedes Vito 120 CDI
    #23
    What about db levels for the above mentioned exhausts?

    I'm interested in the 7.8kg kam racing single box exhaust but if it wont pass a MSA noise test for production saloons (3/4's of max rpm which would mean 6.5k rpm) then its not worth considering...

    Also anyone done back to back RR tests with these exhausts yet?

    I assume a pug sport will fit a saxo vts if it has the rear bumper chopped like in the pic below?
  24. Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Doncaster. Posts: 2115 Y' Reg MK2 1.6i VTR
    #24
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dave_P View Post
    What about db levels for the above mentioned exhausts?

    I'm interested in the 7.8kg kam racing single box exhaust but if it wont pass a MSA noise test for production saloons (3/4's of max rpm which would mean 6.5k rpm) then its not worth considering...

    Also anyone done back to back RR tests with these exhausts yet?

    I assume a pug sport will fit a saxo vts if it has the rear bumper chopped like in the pic below?
    Thats right yeah mate, not long since someone put one of their Saxo and looked good actually how it sat, look through the search button or progress threads.
  25. Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2008 Suffolk Posts: 11590 ITB'd Saxo VTS & Mazda 6 MPS
    #25
    Dave, I had the full Kam set up, 4-2-1, full decat & 2' backbox on my VTS. Old bill pulled me and tested it, was 83 (iirc) on idle and 103 at 5250 rpm. Resulted in a £30 fine but should be OK for some UK tracks. Most are either 95 or 105
  26. Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Doncaster. Posts: 2115 Y' Reg MK2 1.6i VTR
    #26
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Chr15 View Post
    Dave, I had the full Kam set up, 4-2-1, full decat & 2' backbox on my VTS. Old bill pulled me and tested it, was 83 (iirc) on idle and 103 at 5250 rpm. Resulted in a £30 fine but should be OK for some UK tracks. Most are either 95 or 105
    Quality haha, aint too bad on my 8v, it's only loud if i boot it in second and its loud obviously at 70 on motorway, i've heard a VTS though with de-cat saxsport and they are loud yes haha.
  27. Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2008 Suffolk Posts: 11590 ITB'd Saxo VTS & Mazda 6 MPS
    #27
    If Im honest, I didnt think it was that loud on idle but talking to others it was like 2nd or 3rd loudest in town haha. Having said that, I dont agree with how its tested, nobody drives around town at high revs. I always stayed below 2500 as after that is when it got silly noisy.
  28. Established Member Joined: Dec 2010 Aberdeen Posts: 2129 Race: 106 Rallye 16v. Road: Mercedes Vito 120 CDI
    #28
    How did dibble test your car? straight back from the exhaust?

    MSA test is from 1m @ 45 deg angle from exhaust.
  29. Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2008 Suffolk Posts: 11590 ITB'd Saxo VTS & Mazda 6 MPS
    #29
    Same. Get a derv exhaust, cant get 1m away then (as it points directly down )
  30. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2009 Ascot Posts: 4619 Mint 106 rallye, Saxo VTR
    #30
    Kam racing all day long!
  31. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 5306 911 Turbo
    #31
    Where can I find the power figures for the Kam system ?

    I have searched but cannot find any results for this exhaust system.
  32. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #32
    we will be doing rolling road testing in 2011.
  33. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 5306 911 Turbo
    #33
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KamRacing View Post
    we will be doing rolling road testing in 2011.
    I have rolling road time booked for the start of feb to sort out my exhaust system I need to free up some top end power. I am interested in the Kam system, but I will need it to be alot quieter, as noise restrictions on track are getting lower.

    Can you offer the system with a choice of centre boxes. ? What effect does a centre box have on performance ?
  34. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2010 Telford Posts: 4501 Black corsa c SXI.
    #34
    The saxsport sounds too tinny for me.
  35. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2004 Grimsby United Kingdom (England) Posts: 5489 SUPERCHARGED saxo vts
    #35
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dave_P View Post
    What about db levels for the above mentioned exhausts?

    I'm interested in the 7.8kg kam racing single box exhaust but if it wont pass a MSA noise test for production saloons (3/4's of max rpm which would mean 6.5k rpm) then its not worth considering...

    Also anyone done back to back RR tests with these exhausts yet?

    I assume a pug sport will fit a saxo vts if it has the rear bumper chopped like in the pic below?
    hey thats my car

    i dont think the exhaust sounds tinny. i also used to have a pugsport on my 16v xsi.

    the pugsport i had did sit pissed up at 1st. it just required a tweak to get it right.

    i fit the saxsport to the vts and had no problems. the rubbers that come with the kit are showing signs of age at only 9months old! my only quibble with the saxport is the rear box looks ugly!

    the car sounds fantastic and came alive when i fitted my milltek manifold.



    its ceramic coated if that makes any difference?

    in car video at bedford gt. saxport, milltek manifold and simota enclosed induction kit. standard cams! sounds like it has ITB's

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAf9_SbkmYw

    in my defence id like to say i had isses with the brakes during this clip.
  36. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2009 Trackside Posts: 2624 1.1 saxo died :( now on the look for another
    #36
    quick question,
    is the saxsport 2inch race system to loud for road use???
  37. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2010 Telford Posts: 4501 Black corsa c SXI.
    #37
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tinytim6666 View Post
    quick question,
    is the saxsport 2inch race system to loud for road use???
    someone has already explained this if you read earlier posts.
  38. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2009 Trackside Posts: 2624 1.1 saxo died :( now on the look for another
    #38
    ive read the whole lot,
    people say its loud etc
    but is it to loud for road use?
  39. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2010 Telford Posts: 4501 Black corsa c SXI.
    #39
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sexy_gt View Post
    hey thats my car

    i dont think the exhaust sounds tinny. i also used to have a pugsport on my 16v xsi.

    the pugsport i had did sit pissed up at 1st. it just required a tweak to get it right.

    i fit the saxsport to the vts and had no problems. the rubbers that come with the kit are showing signs of age at only 9months old! my only quibble with the saxport is the rear box looks ugly!

    the car sounds fantastic and came alive when i fitted my milltek manifold.



    its ceramic coated if that makes any difference?

    in car video at bedford gt. saxport, milltek manifold and simota enclosed induction kit. standard cams! sounds like it has ITB's

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAf9_SbkmYw

    in my defence id like to say i had isses with the brakes during this clip.
    is that you driving mate in that vid?
  40. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2004 Grimsby United Kingdom (England) Posts: 5489 SUPERCHARGED saxo vts
    #40
    yes my car/my driving

    both versions of saxsport and pugsport are not too loud for road use.
  41. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2010 Telford Posts: 4501 Black corsa c SXI.
    #41
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sexy_gt View Post
    yes my car/my driving

    both versions of saxsport and pugsport are not too loud for road use.
    good driver !
  42. Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2008 Suffolk Posts: 11590 ITB'd Saxo VTS & Mazda 6 MPS
    #42
    will also depend on how tolerant your local plod are
  43. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2009 Trackside Posts: 2624 1.1 saxo died :( now on the look for another
    #43
    thanks guys
  44. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #44
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jonathon5 View Post
    I have rolling road time booked for the start of feb to sort out my exhaust system I need to free up some top end power. I am interested in the Kam system, but I will need it to be alot quieter, as noise restrictions on track are getting lower.

    Can you offer the system with a choice of centre boxes. ? What effect does a centre box have on performance ?
    We will develop the centre box version at the same time, but we will not change the bore through the centre pipe so there should be no real difference.