vtr black top vs silver top

1. yetisvtr Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2008 milton keynes Posts: 334 saxo mk1 vtr in posssiiiii blue

   #1 29th April 2010, 17:48

   what actually makes the power differencei gather its head work or something along those lines but what is different?
2. user_37194 Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 rotherham Posts: 1832 Be scirocco, full on 03plate track spec Saxo

   #2 29th April 2010, 17:58

   black tops carb silver tops injection engine, ecu, and heads different i think there onli difference ect but dont not 100%
3. yetisvtr Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2008 milton keynes Posts: 334 saxo mk1 vtr in posssiiiii blue

   #3 29th April 2010, 18:26

   cant be coz mines a black top and i can clearly see injectors so it has a ecu i.e injection
4. gixxa Established Member Joined: Feb 2007 manchester Posts: 1704 vtr turbo

   #4 29th April 2010, 18:31

   they do a 90bhp black top, a 90bhp silver top and a 98 bhp silver top. All of which are injection
5. yetisvtr Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2008 milton keynes Posts: 334 saxo mk1 vtr in posssiiiii blue

   #5 29th April 2010, 18:52

   ok then didnt know that lol so what changes did they make to get it to 98bhp as im curius
6. SaxoJamie Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2007 Sussex Posts: 3891 2x 106 GTi

   #6 29th April 2010, 22:43

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by yetisvtr ok then didnt know that lol so what changes did they make to get it to 98bhp as im curius

   location of catalytic converter (manifold cat instead of under car)
   revised inlet manifold
   3 plug ecu over a single plug
   slightly different head desigs ie: inlet port spacing, roller rockers over non roller rockers etc
7. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

   #7 29th April 2010, 22:46

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by mark1311 black tops carb silver tops injection engine, ecu, and heads different i think there onli difference ect but dont not 100%

   Carb? teh fuck?
8. SaxoJamie Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2007 Sussex Posts: 3891 2x 106 GTi

   #8 29th April 2010, 22:58

   there was no "carb" engine version of the saxo. PSA phased out carbs in favour of fuel injection way back in 92'.
9. user_43359 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Shavington Crewe Posts: 828 MK2 Saxo VTR 51 PLATE

   #9 29th April 2010, 23:08

   lol db_sax you would have though that stupid cunt in your pic would have cut her hair with all that compensation. slaggggg sorry to go off subject ive got mk2 vtr in the weird year where its a mk2 shape but still got 90bhp engine, stupid french twats!!!!!! :@
10. T10SHP Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 flimby, cumbria Posts: 104 1st Ford Focus Tdci Sport 2nd Citroen Saxo Vtr

    #10 29th April 2010, 23:14

    ive got a january 2000 vtr silvertop, how can i tell if its 90bhp or 98bhp?
11. user_37194 Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 rotherham Posts: 1832 Be scirocco, full on 03plate track spec Saxo

    #11 29th April 2010, 23:17

    my mates got a got a black top swear he told me it was a carb engine, but i have neva worked on a black top, so onli reali no vts blocks, my bad.
12. SaxoJamie Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2007 Sussex Posts: 3891 2x 106 GTi

    #12 29th April 2010, 23:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by T10SHP ive got a january 2000 vtr silvertop, how can i tell if its 90bhp or 98bhp?

    how many plugs come from ecu
    catalytic converter will be under car on 90BHP models
    what reg is your car? The 98BHP models were made 2001 onwards
13. T10SHP Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 flimby, cumbria Posts: 104 1st Ford Focus Tdci Sport 2nd Citroen Saxo Vtr

    #13 29th April 2010, 23:23

    i havnt checkd the ecu pal, mines a v but the cat is in the engine bay like as soon as the mani comes out the car
14. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #14 29th April 2010, 23:25

    main gains were from the inlet mani, and the mapping of the newer ecu
15. SaxoJamie Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2007 Sussex Posts: 3891 2x 106 GTi

    #15 29th April 2010, 23:26

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by T10SHP i havnt checkd the ecu pal, mines a v but the cat is in the engine bay like as soon as the mani comes out the car

    most likely be a 90BHP version on a V-registration. The 98BHP variant didn't come in til X-reg 2001 onwards.
16. frankie Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2006 Frome, down deepest, darkest zummerset Posts: 12971 VTRallye

    #16 29th April 2010, 23:26

    Black tops are roller rockers
    and silver tops arnt or one way or the other.
    
    the compression in the 98hp model is higher than the 90hp silvertop
    
    the black tops have dished pistons, silvertops have flat (i know the 98hp are flat atleast)
    
    the port spacings on the blacktops are the same as the 90, the 98 are different.
    
    its mainly due to high comp
17. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #17 29th April 2010, 23:26

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by T10SHP i havnt checkd the ecu pal, mines a v but the cat is in the engine bay like as soon as the mani comes out the car

    yours should be a 90bhp, but the mani is from a 98bhp.... so id guess someones changd your mani
18. T10SHP Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 flimby, cumbria Posts: 104 1st Ford Focus Tdci Sport 2nd Citroen Saxo Vtr

    #18 29th April 2010, 23:29

    al check the ecu, is it posible that sum idiot has changd my mani and left the cat underneath in?? is that possible or not?? i need to check haha
19. frankie Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2006 Frome, down deepest, darkest zummerset Posts: 12971 VTRallye

    #19 29th April 2010, 23:29

    tis possible yes.
20. T10SHP Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 flimby, cumbria Posts: 104 1st Ford Focus Tdci Sport 2nd Citroen Saxo Vtr

    #20 29th April 2010, 23:31

    oh no, i defo need to check that with all the bodge up garages these days. is it just the cat that gives it the 8bhp difference?
21. T10SHP Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 flimby, cumbria Posts: 104 1st Ford Focus Tdci Sport 2nd Citroen Saxo Vtr

    #21 29th April 2010, 23:32

    forgot to ask, cud it possibly b an engine swap?? the lambda sensor lead is in the rite spot nd that
22. user_43359 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Shavington Crewe Posts: 828 MK2 Saxo VTR 51 PLATE

    #22 29th April 2010, 23:34

    only thing is is that if the mani had been changed and you had mk1 engine and loom you wouldnt have a second o2 sensor so would have a hole in mani somewhere cos apparently 98bhp models have 2 o2 sensors? some weird shit?!?!?!
23. T10SHP Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 flimby, cumbria Posts: 104 1st Ford Focus Tdci Sport 2nd Citroen Saxo Vtr

    #23 29th April 2010, 23:36

    thats wot i was finking, the o2 sensor wud fuk up, like being in the rong spot
24. frankie Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2006 Frome, down deepest, darkest zummerset Posts: 12971 VTRallye

    #24 29th April 2010, 23:37

    holes are easily blocked up
    
    are you certain theres a cat under neath?
    
    they may of just whacked the manifold with cat on as that was the only thing avaibale at the time
25. frankie Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2006 Frome, down deepest, darkest zummerset Posts: 12971 VTRallye

    #25 29th April 2010, 23:38

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by T10SHP thats wot i was finking, the o2 sensor wud fuk up, like being in the rong spot

    no.
    
    my early silver top vtr, the lambda sensor was not far from the head.
    
    now with my other mani on, its right back where it conects to the cat
26. T10SHP Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 flimby, cumbria Posts: 104 1st Ford Focus Tdci Sport 2nd Citroen Saxo Vtr

    #26 29th April 2010, 23:41

    i havnt checked for a cat underneath, i just seen the short fat 1 in the engine bay nd presumed that was it, i will have to check like. wots if its a 3 plug?