furio - vtr

29th April 2010, 23:31

obv i need the engine, ecu but are looms the same? what parts are ruffly diffrent??

30th April 2010, 08:18

what iam basically asking is if i can run the furio loom with the vtr ecu and engine?

30th April 2010, 11:18

anyone?

30th April 2010, 11:29

I'm not 100% but I wouldn't think the Westcoast loom would work tbh.

The Ecu and looms can be got for cheap enough so I wouldn't risk it by trying to use the 1.4 loom then trying to fault find a potential problem - it'll send you round in circles !

30th April 2010, 11:39

no? ok mate thanks

how easy isit to change all the loom... its the only thing that puts me off doin any engine swap

30th April 2010, 11:59

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Originally Posted by samueljonburgess

no? ok mate thanks

how easy isit to change all the loom... its the only thing that puts me off doin any engine swap

A LOT easier than the engine swap itself !

This is what I'd do - take pictures of your engine bay so you can see all the loom routing.

Unplug loom from the car, but leave the loom on the engine itself.

Then with the engine out of the car look at the routing of the loom on the back of the engine.

Then use this to copy routing the vtr loom on the vtr engine, then use the pics you've taken before to connect and route the vtr loom nicely once the vtr engine is in the car.

Simples

30th April 2010, 12:01

ye it sounds simple but it never goes to plan

ill have a think about it.
i done my uncle car got it all in all plugged in and it didnt start... since then its put me off engine swaps

30th April 2010, 12:29

You can get entire VTR setups (including the shafts and box youll be wanting them) for so little it makes sense to get the lot including the loom mate.

As Ross says its not an impossibility but I can see there being issues with the throttlebody area, everywhere else is pretty much the same but that area could cause issues

30th April 2010, 13:48

ive already got the vtr inlet/throttle body on the furio engine
wouldnt i be able to run furio box on the vtr engine?
and i would need vtr drive shafts?

30th April 2010, 13:51

vtr engine has an intermediate bearing on the drivers side so ideally you'd want to run the vtr shafts.

The shafts would physically fit a furio box, but I'd 100% put a vtr box on so the shafts match the diff correctly

30th April 2010, 13:53

all soundin like alot of work now... only wanted it if it bolted straight in....

looks like i mite just get another furio engine to build up to turbo spec

30th April 2010, 13:56

It really isn't hard !!

If you manage to fit the vtr inlet to your furio engine, then you'll easily be able to do the engine conversion

30th April 2010, 13:58

Aye its not as hard as it sounds, you'd be taking the shafts out to swap the engines anyway so putting the VTR ones in isnt a problem, its literally 2 11mm nuts more work. But it is 100% worth fitting the box and shafts, both of the 1.4 units are designed to potter about with and are quite frankly in technical terms, weak as shit

30th April 2010, 14:00

haha ye i know but at the back of my mind i can see my self turnin the key and it not goin haha the thing that gets me is the wires... lol

and the inlets easy just unbolt and bolt back on.... then try n get it to run right

30th April 2010, 14:01

fook it ill get it and see how it goes... expect to find a few threads from me askin questions tho

30th April 2010, 14:04

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Originally Posted by TU-Tuning

Aye its not as hard as it sounds, you'd be taking the shafts out to swap the engines anyway so putting the VTR ones in isnt a problem, its literally 2 11mm nuts more work. But it is 100% worth fitting the box and shafts, both of the 1.4 units are designed to potter about with and are quite frankly in technical terms, weak as shit

how do the boys run the 1.1 box's then??

30th April 2010, 14:14

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Originally Posted by samueljonburgess

how do the boys run the 1.1 box's then??

Basically,

the non-sports boxes (1.1) run a 68mm diff, so the gearbox end of the shaft is made to accommodate this diff - ie longer so that they go into the diff more.

the sports boxes (vtr.vts etc.) run a 77mm diff, and so their driveshafts are setup to fit into that diff, ie shorter so they fit into the wider diff.

So if you tried to fit the 68mm driveshafts (which will be longer to fit into the narrower diff) into a 77mm diff then you'll see they are too long and hit the diff before creating a seal with the driveshaft seals.

Visa Versa the shorter shafts (for a 77mm diff) will fit into a 68mm diff, but I wouldn't be comfortable with the contact area between the diff and the driveshaft - I've seen how far the 68mm shafts didn't fit into the 77mm diff hence being wary of it.

Looking at it too, it appears the shafts have a an ever so slightly different diameter gearbox end and profile - 68mm vs 77mm shafts.

Right I've got to get back to doing uni work - I've only typed this as it gets asked a lot and people.

30th April 2010, 14:26

Its doable, but they do blow. I cant count the number of 1.1/1.4 boxes Ive seen with a gaping hole from the diff inside the bell housing

30th April 2010, 15:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by raunchz

Basically,

the non-sports boxes (1.1) run a 68mm diff, so the gearbox end of the shaft is made to accommodate this diff - ie longer so that they go into the diff more.

the sports boxes (vtr.vts etc.) run a 77mm diff, and so their driveshafts are setup to fit into that diff, ie shorter so they fit into the wider diff.

So if you tried to fit the 68mm driveshafts (which will be longer to fit into the narrower diff) into a 77mm diff then you'll see they are too long and hit the diff before creating a seal with the driveshaft seals.

Visa Versa the shorter shafts (for a 77mm diff) will fit into a 68mm diff, but I wouldn't be comfortable with the contact area between the diff and the driveshaft - I've seen how far the 68mm shafts didn't fit into the 77mm diff hence being wary of it.

Looking at it too, it appears the shafts have a an ever so slightly different diameter gearbox end and profile - 68mm vs 77mm shafts.

Right I've got to get back to doing uni work - I've only typed this as it gets asked a lot and people.

i swear i have read you can put a 1.1 box on say a vts/r?

30th April 2010, 15:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by raunchz

Basically,

the non-sports boxes (1.1) run a 68mm diff, so the gearbox end of the shaft is made to accommodate this diff - ie longer so that they go into the diff more.

the sports boxes (vtr.vts etc.) run a 77mm diff, and so their driveshafts are setup to fit into that diff, ie shorter so they fit into the wider diff.

So if you tried to fit the 68mm driveshafts (which will be longer to fit into the narrower diff) into a 77mm diff then you'll see they are too long and hit the diff before creating a seal with the driveshaft seals.

Visa Versa the shorter shafts (for a 77mm diff) will fit into a 68mm diff, but I wouldn't be comfortable with the contact area between the diff and the driveshaft - I've seen how far the 68mm shafts didn't fit into the 77mm diff hence being wary of it.

Looking at it too, it appears the shafts have a an ever so slightly different diameter gearbox end and profile - 68mm vs 77mm shafts.

Right I've got to get back to doing uni work - I've only typed this as it gets asked a lot and people.

Quote:

Originally Posted by yetisvtr

i swear i have read you can put a 1.1 box on say a vts/r?

30th April 2010, 17:31

cheers mate

basically the diffs dont match creating a leak

30th April 2010, 17:45

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Originally Posted by samueljonburgess

cheers mate

basically the diffs dont match creating a leak

lol only when you try 68mm shafts with a 77mm diff - I don't think it leaks the other way round