Important! : car wont start ignition barrel?

1. user_38615 Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 Birmingham Posts: 2073 Current - 56 1.9 astra Sri Owned - 54 C2 GT. Ow

   #1 2nd May 2010, 23:01

   right started my car the other day and it was running fine for about 2mins then it just cut out and since then i dont get no lights on the dash when on the second click only get the battery light which comes on the first turn and stays on the second the car will turn over on the third turn as usual but aint got no power going to coil pack or fuel pump or the dash board lights also the fuel gauge or temp gauge battery its self is fine aint flat dont even get the imobilser light on the dash could it be that there is a problem with the second turn on the switch on the igniton barrel i checked all the fuses and relays and there fine. if im reading the haynes manual right the power has to go though the ignition barrel before goes to the ecu, also needs to go through the ignition barrel to go to the dash cluster is that correct?
   am pritty sure it not a ecu problem as power aint getting to it as far as i know
   would it be worth changing the switch before i get a mechanic out to look at it?
   soz for the SA haha need it sorting though
2. user_38442 Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2009 Owner of www.destinyeffect.co.uk radio station live every Thursday Friday night from 7-9pm Posts: 724 vts vtr

   #2 2nd May 2010, 23:04

   jump leads first choice try that then come back to me ill help you mate .........
3. user_38615 Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 Birmingham Posts: 2073 Current - 56 1.9 astra Sri Owned - 54 C2 GT. Ow

   #3 2nd May 2010, 23:06

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by saxovtsnap jump leads first choice try that then come back to me ill help you mate .........

   i got one of them battery charger/starters could i use that as cant reach were the car is atm lol :/
4. user_38442 Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2009 Owner of www.destinyeffect.co.uk radio station live every Thursday Friday night from 7-9pm Posts: 724 vts vtr

   #4 2nd May 2010, 23:08

   yes mate try that see if it starts do it noww mate ill wait online when its starts dont take the pack off!!!!
5. user_38442 Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2009 Owner of www.destinyeffect.co.uk radio station live every Thursday Friday night from 7-9pm Posts: 724 vts vtr

   #5 2nd May 2010, 23:14

   bump
6. user_38615 Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 Birmingham Posts: 2073 Current - 56 1.9 astra Sri Owned - 54 C2 GT. Ow

   #6 2nd May 2010, 23:15

   okay will try
7. user_38442 Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2009 Owner of www.destinyeffect.co.uk radio station live every Thursday Friday night from 7-9pm Posts: 724 vts vtr

   #7 2nd May 2010, 23:21

   you trying it now bud
8. user_38615 Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 Birmingham Posts: 2073 Current - 56 1.9 astra Sri Owned - 54 C2 GT. Ow

   #8 2nd May 2010, 23:21

   tryed no luck was saying was fully charged
9. user_38442 Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2009 Owner of www.destinyeffect.co.uk radio station live every Thursday Friday night from 7-9pm Posts: 724 vts vtr

   #9 2nd May 2010, 23:23

   okey so when you turn the key all the way theres nout there yeah
10. user_38615 Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 Birmingham Posts: 2073 Current - 56 1.9 astra Sri Owned - 54 C2 GT. Ow

    #10 2nd May 2010, 23:28

    when i turn it all the way the car will turn over with no probs at all i just aint getting no spark no fuel pump prime or no dash lights what so ever apart from my battery light which comes on the first click and the second
11. user_38442 Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2009 Owner of www.destinyeffect.co.uk radio station live every Thursday Friday night from 7-9pm Posts: 724 vts vtr

    #11 2nd May 2010, 23:31

    is the starter motor turning over have you check all fuses and plugs.check the coil pack dead smack in the middle behind the oil cap there a plug .
12. user_38442 Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2009 Owner of www.destinyeffect.co.uk radio station live every Thursday Friday night from 7-9pm Posts: 724 vts vtr

    #12 2nd May 2010, 23:33

    does the engine run or not if soo i would change the coil pack mate that plugs into your spark plugs give that ago .ive neaver had this problem before....if your saying its turning over but not fireing up up i would say coil pack ive got 3 spare but your far away mate
13. user_38615 Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 Birmingham Posts: 2073 Current - 56 1.9 astra Sri Owned - 54 C2 GT. Ow

    #13 2nd May 2010, 23:38

    i get what your saying but i aint getting no fuel pump prime or dash lights dont think a coil pack would stop them its as if there is a fault somewhere but i dont want to take it to the dealer for them to look at it cuz i know there not cheap so wanted to see if could get some help on here :/
14. user_38442 Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2009 Owner of www.destinyeffect.co.uk radio station live every Thursday Friday night from 7-9pm Posts: 724 vts vtr

    #14 2nd May 2010, 23:39

    does the battery lite go out when engine has started
15. user_38615 Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 Birmingham Posts: 2073 Current - 56 1.9 astra Sri Owned - 54 C2 GT. Ow

    #15 2nd May 2010, 23:40

    well it usually did i duno now cuz it dont start lol
    sure it goes out when i try turning it over
16. user_38442 Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2009 Owner of www.destinyeffect.co.uk radio station live every Thursday Friday night from 7-9pm Posts: 724 vts vtr

    #16 2nd May 2010, 23:44

    check under the bonett on the rite hand these a fuse box check them fuse,s mate its a mad one as im not sure why it wont run it should stay runing when turn over bud .ppus these a black box just behind the battery above these a black box undo it these 5 big fuse check them ...
17. user_38442 Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2009 Owner of www.destinyeffect.co.uk radio station live every Thursday Friday night from 7-9pm Posts: 724 vts vtr

    #17 2nd May 2010, 23:45

    your see a red rubber gromet kind of thing lol beside that is a black box check them tooooo good luck
18. user_38615 Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 Birmingham Posts: 2073 Current - 56 1.9 astra Sri Owned - 54 C2 GT. Ow

    #18 2nd May 2010, 23:45

    ive checked and rechecked every fuse and relays twice and there all fine
    and i know dont know what else to try know :/
19. user_38615 Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 Birmingham Posts: 2073 Current - 56 1.9 astra Sri Owned - 54 C2 GT. Ow

    #19 3rd May 2010, 15:23

    anyone else wanna take a guess lol?
20. Skootay Newbie Joined: May 2010 Portsmouth Posts: 4 Citroën Saxo VTR

    #20 3rd May 2010, 20:11

    That red Grommit type thing is a reset botton for something or so i was told today, my old man had one on his renult kangoo, that had the same symptoms and that fixed it. worth a push?
21. user_38615 Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 Birmingham Posts: 2073 Current - 56 1.9 astra Sri Owned - 54 C2 GT. Ow

    #21 3rd May 2010, 23:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Skootay That red Grommit type thing is a reset botton for something or so i was told today, my old man had one on his renult kangoo, that had the same symptoms and that fixed it. worth a push?

    lol i wish mate was the first thing i acually tryed and have tryed again since then :/
22. willchavy Newbie Joined: May 2010 heathfield Posts: 27 i own a citreon saxo vtr 1.6, and i own a yammaha

    #22 4th May 2010, 00:24

    mate this is a guese what about the spark plugs ?
23. willchavy Newbie Joined: May 2010 heathfield Posts: 27 i own a citreon saxo vtr 1.6, and i own a yammaha

    #23 4th May 2010, 00:25

    try replacing them ngk ones from halford 20 quid set of 4
24. willchavy Newbie Joined: May 2010 heathfield Posts: 27 i own a citreon saxo vtr 1.6, and i own a yammaha

    #24 4th May 2010, 00:33

    try the spark plugs mate
25. willchavy Newbie Joined: May 2010 heathfield Posts: 27 i own a citreon saxo vtr 1.6, and i own a yammaha

    #25 4th May 2010, 00:34

    or fuel pump might not be getting enough fuel into engine to make exlostion
26. user_38615 Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 Birmingham Posts: 2073 Current - 56 1.9 astra Sri Owned - 54 C2 GT. Ow

    #26 4th May 2010, 11:37

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by willchavy or fuel pump might not be getting enough fuel into engine to make exlostion

    no power is going to either the fuel pump or the coil pack so there a problem before them somewhere
27. kaneo779 Newbie Joined: Mar 2010 newcastle Posts: 9 1998 saxo vtr with pug 106 rallye engine :)

    #27 5th May 2010, 14:40

    i had nerly the same problem with mine mate, same year and everything. after a few days of checking everything it turned out to be the ignition live to my coil pack (it runs spark primes fuel pump and works injectors) if youve got a leccy tester take the plug off your coil pack and find the ignition live out of the 4 connecters in the plug (mine is the 1st connector if you count them from the driver side) push a thin wire into it and put the plug back onto the coil pack and then with the other end of the wire touch it on the battery for about 5 seconds (get someone to sit in the car and listen for the fuel pump priming) if it does you just need to find a new ignition live to wire your plug to... but if not i would check your earths from engine to car.. sorry if this is a bit confusing but its the easiest way i can explane it lol, hope it helps mate
28. user_38615 Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 Birmingham Posts: 2073 Current - 56 1.9 astra Sri Owned - 54 C2 GT. Ow

    #28 5th May 2010, 21:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kaneo779 i had nerly the same problem with mine mate, same year and everything. after a few days of checking everything it turned out to be the ignition live to my coil pack (it runs spark primes fuel pump and works injectors) if youve got a leccy tester take the plug off your coil pack and find the ignition live out of the 4 connecters in the plug (mine is the 1st connector if you count them from the driver side) push a thin wire into it and put the plug back onto the coil pack and then with the other end of the wire touch it on the battery for about 5 seconds (get someone to sit in the car and listen for the fuel pump priming) if it does you just need to find a new ignition live to wire your plug to... but if not i would check your earths from engine to car.. sorry if this is a bit confusing but its the easiest way i can explane it lol, hope it helps mate

    right im following what ya saying did you have your dash lights on though?
29. kaneo779 Newbie Joined: Mar 2010 newcastle Posts: 9 1998 saxo vtr with pug 106 rallye engine :)

    #29 5th May 2010, 23:40

    no i dont think i did mate, if its not either of the problems above all i can think of is immobiliser or ecu, i would give what i explained in the last post a go coz it sounds very similar to the problem i had, and its an easy fix if it is just a dodgy ignition live. if you try it and its not that just either pm me or just write back on here and i'll keep checking the post and try n talk u through anything else it could be.

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30. user_38615 Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 Birmingham Posts: 2073 Current - 56 1.9 astra Sri Owned - 54 C2 GT. Ow

    #30 5th May 2010, 23:43

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kaneo779 no i dont think i did mate, if its not either of the problems above all i can think of is immobiliser or ecu, i would give what i explained in the last post a go coz it sounds very similar to the problem i had, and its an easy fix if it is just a dodgy ignition live. if you try it and its not that just either pm me or just write back on here and i'll keep checking the post and try n talk u through anything else it could be.

    nice one will have a try tomorrow see if it that
31. kaneo779 Newbie Joined: Mar 2010 newcastle Posts: 9 1998 saxo vtr with pug 106 rallye engine :)

    #31 7th May 2010, 23:44

    any luck mate?
32. user_38615 Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 Birmingham Posts: 2073 Current - 56 1.9 astra Sri Owned - 54 C2 GT. Ow

    #32 7th May 2010, 23:48

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kaneo779 any luck mate?

    oh yeah fixed it mate was the igniton switch that had gone i just disconnected my one then plugged the new one in and put my key in the ignition and used a screw driver to turn the switch then when it started was like YES!!!!!!!!! then took it all off put that one on back together job done took like 30mins to do nice one though was gonna try that next if wasnt that