1.1 to VTS

  1. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2009 Southampton Posts: 353 '04 C2 GT #0800
    #1
    After enquiring about putting a VTS engine into my car, a lot of people talked of how it would be cheaper to buy a VTS etc.. But could i ask to take money OUT of the equation for a bit:

    I understand that i'd need new suspension, brakes, possibly loom, ECU unlocked, exhaust and new braces for the engine to go into.
    I've also considered getting a new rear beam as i know that these commonly brake on spaxo's

    What else would i need?
    Many people have said that the 1.1 chassis wouldnt cope with the torque, is this true?

    As well as this, i've only found suspension for furios upwards, not for a 1.1, but surely you can get new springs for the 1.1?

    Sorry for all the questions, bit of a noob.
    Thanks for any help
  2. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 Oswestry Shropshire/Wrexham, North Wales Posts: 506 Mk1 Silver VTR
    #2
    If you do a search mate there are thousands of threads on this. but the answer will always turn out to be it will be cheaper to buy a vts but if you want to give a go then go for it.
  3. Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 462
    #3
    obviously this guy wants the cheaper option with a 1.1 cheaper to insure and still rolling with 16v's good on you mate, good luck with it.
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  4. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2009 Southampton Posts: 353 '04 C2 GT #0800
    #4
    Ive seen that the 1.1 gearbox would be all good, but would need new driveshafts, front struts as well as brakes, radiator hoses, fuel pipes and throttle cable.

    Most of the searches seem to have these mods only, would you say that all this would be about right for the setup? Or is there anything else that would be needed?
  5. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 Oswestry Shropshire/Wrexham, North Wales Posts: 506 Mk1 Silver VTR
    #5
    Try and go for a rear disc beam as well if you can. you will need the ecu off vts as well
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  6. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #6
    quick list off the top of my head:
    -enigne
    -gearbox (could use your own)
    -unlocked ecu
    -loom
    -radiator, fan and hoses
    -front struts/dampers/springs
    -front anti roll bar
    -drop links
    -drive shafts
    -brakes
    -exhaust manifolds/starter motor/ alternator (should get this stuff with the engine)
    -exhaust
    -rear beam

    to be honest its a long list, if you do it to a vtr its much simpler you don't need to upgrade any suspension/brake parts, i literally just bought engine, loom, ecu and rad
  7. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Kent Posts: 8205 :(s)rac
    #7
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lukee_VTR View Post
    obviously this guy wants the cheaper option with a 1.1 cheaper to insure and still rolling with 16v's good on you mate, good luck with it.
    So he wants to drive around illegally then? Smooth.
  8. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2008 N.Wales Posts: 7746 e46 M Sport
    #8
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rey View Post
    So he wants to drive around illegally then? Smooth.
    Thats exactly want he wants to do

    If you do go ahead with this then you need a new gear box, vts box, as the 1.1 doesnt have the sport clusters (or something like that) and basically its shit.

    It might even be cheaper to buy a vtr and do the conversion
  9. Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Weston-Super-Mare Posts: 672 Mapped 306 HDI
    #9
    Just to clarify.. the chassis is exactly the same on a 1.1,1.4,1.6,1.6 16v.. except for if it's a 5 dr obv,, every part from a 1.1 to VTS is interchangeable
  10. Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 462
    #10
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rey View Post
    So he wants to drive around illegally then? Smooth.
    Yes mate that would be the way to go
  11. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Kent Posts: 8205 :(s)rac
    #11
    Good luck with that

    Enjoy the raping from the insurance company if you crash, enjoy the several points from the police, if you crash
  12. Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Weston-Super-Mare Posts: 672 Mapped 306 HDI
    #12
    I'm sorry but the amount of people on here who are 18 and have vtr-vts conversions i bet you any money 90% of them have not told there insurance companys,, it would be ridiculous amount to insure !!!
  13. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Kent Posts: 8205 :(s)rac
    #13
    Good for them, I'd rather be legit thanks.
  14. Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 462
    #14
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rey View Post
    Good luck with that

    Enjoy the raping from the insurance company if you crash, enjoy the several points from the police, if you crash
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rey View Post
    Good for them, I'd rather be legit thanks.
    Lol why are you so against it? I have never crashed *touch wood*

    (Your obviously paying shit loads for your premium )
  15. Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Weston-Super-Mare Posts: 672 Mapped 306 HDI
    #15
    I'm just saying 80% of sax-p probably dnt declare there mods if there under 21, just not everyone blatently flaunts it which is what normally annoys people
  16. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Kent Posts: 8205 :(s)rac
    #16
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lukee_VTR View Post
    Lol why are you so against it? I have never crashed *touch wood*
    I await the day you do then.

    Against it, because it's illegal for a start.
    You're invalidating your insurance, your committing a tax fraud, you get caught, there's 6 points for no insurance, then you get a fraud charge.

    Not to mention the hassle of sorting out insurance money if someone who turns out to be uninsured crashes into you.
  17. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card
    #17
    Back on topic....reading your first few posts on this thread about it, you are very clueless, i think you need to do some more reading yet.
  18. Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Weston-Super-Mare Posts: 672 Mapped 306 HDI
    #18
    ^^ in reference to your avatar.. i fell and seriously injured my fringe LOL
  19. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card
    #19
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ajdsaxo View Post
    I understand that i'd need new suspension, brakes, possibly loom, ECU unlocked, exhaust and new braces for the engine to go into.
    I've also considered getting a new rear beam as i know that these commonly brake on spaxo's

    What else would i need?
    Many people have said that the 1.1 chassis wouldnt cope with the torque, is this true?

    As well as this, i've only found suspension for furios upwards, not for a 1.1, but surely you can get new springs for the 1.1?

    Sorry for all the questions, bit of a noob.
    Thanks for any help
    "possibly loom" no definatly loom
    1.1 chassis is fine...
    suspension...as in what? Yes you can get new springs for a 1.1...


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ajdsaxo View Post
    Ive seen that the 1.1 gearbox would be all good, but would need new driveshafts, front struts as well as brakes, radiator hoses, fuel pipes and throttle cable.

    Most of the searches seem to have these mods only, would you say that all this would be about right for the setup? Or is there anything else that would be needed?
    No you wouldnt need new driveshafts
    Front struts, not essential
    Brakes yes..which would mean VT hubs or struts
    Radiator not essentail but advisable
    Fuel pipes will be fine, might need to plumb a return in


    Just do a normal VTR-VTS type conversion...like all the other threads on this subject. Only extra you would have to do struts, optional are drop links and ARB.

    Rear beam you dont have to do.
  20. Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 462
    #20
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rey View Post
    I await the day you do then.

    Against it, because it's illegal for a start.
    You're invalidating your insurance, your committing a tax fraud, you get caught, there's 6 points for no insurance, then you get a fraud charge.

    Not to mention the hassle of sorting out insurance money if someone who turns out to be uninsured crashes into you.
    Iv had my VTR (S) for 3 years mate?
  21. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Kent Posts: 8205 :(s)rac
    #21
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lukee_VTR View Post
    Iv had my VTR (S) for 3 years mate?
    Good for you, still doesn't mean that accident's don't happen does it?
  22. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2008 N.Wales Posts: 7746 e46 M Sport
    #22
    I converted my vtr to a vts and i didnt tell the insurance *awaits PM's giving my shit*
    I only didnt it for cheaper insurance!!

    But when i look back on it now i hate my self for it, was a stupid thing to do! Would never do it again, hence i bought a GTi instead of converting!

    Like Rey said, anything can happen. Anyone can crash into you at anytime and the youre f**ked. Im lucky i didnt crash or get caught but when you think of it its not worth the risk!

    But you're not going to listen what we have to say, you're probs going to go ahead with it anyway.

    Just thinking about it, this is 99% a ASW thread and you're never going to do it. Its just another 1.1 to VTS thread thats building up.

    Rant over.
  23. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Kent Posts: 8205 :(s)rac
    #23
    Just to be clear, you don't declare that's your problem.

    Does annoy me a touch, when I had the opportunity to convert my old R, but I did it the easy way and got my S instead.

    Why should someone else get away with paying less for a car essentially the same as mine?

    And I agree with Tom, if this actually happens, I'll be amazed.
  24. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #24
    why does every thread like this have to turn in to an insurance rant
  25. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card
    #25
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jeffchiz View Post
    why does every thread like this have to turn in to an insurance rant
    Couse its SaxP
  26. Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 462
    #26
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rey View Post
    Just to be clear, you don't declare that's your problem.

    Does annoy me a touch, when I had the opportunity to convert my old R, but I did it the easy way and got my S instead.

    Why should someone else get away with paying less for a car essentially the same as mine?

    And I agree with Tom, if this actually happens, I'll be amazed.
    Sorry mate i must have bigger ''Cahoonas'' than you (iJOKE) but still its just the way it is mate.
  27. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2008 N.Wales Posts: 7746 e46 M Sport
    #27
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jeffchiz View Post
    why does every thread like this have to turn in to an insurance rant
    I just hate my work and needed to take it out on something and this thread was perfect lol

    I really cant say much, as i did it myself
    We learn from our mistakes, i have and im trying to help people.
  28. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #28
    lmao fair enough
  29. Established Member Joined: Jan 2005 England Posts: 1744
    #29
    End of the day its up to him to declare it to his insurance, loads of people on here don't declare it, i probably wouldn't declare it, big deal. its hardly crime of the century.
  30. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2009 Southampton Posts: 353 '04 C2 GT #0800
    #30
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by db_sax View Post
    Back on topic....reading your first few posts on this thread about it, you are very clueless, i think you need to do some more reading yet.
    I get what your saying but i am planning on getting to know more about it, i have a neighbour who used to work for Pugsport who said he'd happily help me through a conversion. Just want to find out what i would need now to start saving. I dont wanna make a w@nk job of it!

    And i understand that many a person would be an ASW, but i dont want to be. I've genuinly been considering it for a while, at 1st looking at an A3 or 1 series but thought they're too much of a business car when i'm only 18, i've got the rest of my life for that. So sticking with the saxo for a good few years, as i love it - but the 1.1 is ridiculously poor and struggles on hills. I go to college in Winchester (very hilly) and hate driving there so rarely do.

    I am DEFINITELY going to declare on insurance aswell, basically cause i'm not a dick and have more than a single brain cell. I'd go ape if someone crashed into me with no insurance, so would never even put at risk somebody else having to cope with the same.

    Any actual help is very much appreciated.
  31. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2003 United Kingdom (England) Posts: 7064
    #31
    Easy way would be buy a crash damaged Vts (rear ended would be best) and swop all the bits over!
  32. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 Midlands UK Posts: 4453 1.1??
    #32
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MiDnighTcLuB View Post
    I'm sorry but the amount of people on here who are 18 and have vtr-vts conversions i bet you any money 90% of them have not told there insurance companys,, it would be ridiculous amount to insure !!!
    One of the exact reason I haven't gone for 8 extra valves, double my insurance I think not! VTS are silly money when doing conversions from a 1.1. My vtr in a 1.1 insurance premium isn't bad but could be better.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rey View Post
    I await the day you do then.

    Against it, because it's illegal for a start.
    You're invalidating your insurance, your committing a tax fraud, you get caught, there's 6 points for no insurance, then you get a fraud charge.

    Not to mention the hassle of sorting out insurance money if someone who turns out to be uninsured crashes into you.
    This man does speak sense.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Quick View Post
    Easy way would be buy a crash damaged Vts (rear ended would be best) and swop all the bits over!
    As does this one. Can pick up Crash damaged VTS' for rediculously cheap nowadays.

    Luckily for you in a mk2 1.1 you've already got the four stud hubs. However you don't have the option of the VT/GTI front arb and it's definetly something I would reccomend!

    As for Rad it's whatever you feel best with, the 1.1 rad will be "Ok" but may become worn out.

    As stated previously the chassis is the same, all parts are interchangeable across the range. Could run the 1.1 shafts if you want, may go pop however! Same for the 1.1 box, although people do run them but again don't be ragging it off the lights everywhere with a non sport ma box as it will eventually die.

    If you're serious about this, don't just ask questions read aload of info up first, if you get stumped hop back in this thread and ask again, this sort of thing is asked all the time and many people have done similar conversions on 1.1's so just browse through

    Good luck to you whatever you decide.