Bilstein B8's VS Group N's

1. Chris_O Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2007 Kent Posts: 4175 RB25'd s14a + 2008 MWB Transit

   #1 11th May 2010, 17:10

   I'm looking at these two variations, but are then any major differences? I no the group N's are more expensive so are probabaly 'better' , but is it worth the extra money? Espceially seeing as I can get a set of B8's at quite a good price.
   
   Also with the faulkner 155lb springs, is it essential you get uprated top mounts? Or will the oe ones suffice?
   
   Cheers
2. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #2 11th May 2010, 18:38

   the grp Ns have stiffer damping and they are thicker due to having a larger oil capacity. Helps them run cooler when the suspension is being worked hard
3. chris_rolling Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2009 Chester Posts: 561 Saxo VTR, EP3 Type R

   #3 11th May 2010, 19:20

   ive got the group N setup with 155lb springs and pugsport top mounts, and cannot fault them at all, i got mine for a good price though, think the uprated mounts are not nessesary, but would be better to have them. same as its better to change engine mounts and suspension bushes
4. rushy_23 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1

   #4 11th May 2010, 19:24

   Are 155s a bit too soft for the group N's?
5. chris_rolling Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2009 Chester Posts: 561 Saxo VTR, EP3 Type R

   #5 11th May 2010, 19:29

   i dont find them too be, obv as you increase the lb'age they will be stiffer, but under hard cornering on B roads ive found them to be solid on T-1R's. might be a different story with semi slicks on track though
6. Chris_O Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2007 Kent Posts: 4175 RB25'd s14a + 2008 MWB Transit

   #6 11th May 2010, 19:29

   I've read somwhere that they 155lb faulkners were too soft for the group n's as well rushy, but i'm no expert
   
   Cheers for the input anyway lads, and with some much appreciated help from willsy i've gone for the B8's with the 155lb springs. Got them at a very good price and will be spot on for what i want to use them for (hopefully) lol
7. rushy_23 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1

   #7 11th May 2010, 19:40

   Im running B8s and 155 faulkners. There may be better out there but Im very happy
   
   I doubt you will be disappointed.
8. ben_vts Established Member Joined: Jun 2009 keswick Posts: 1166 Clio 197

   #8 11th May 2010, 19:44

   Iam running the group n's and just ordered some Faulkner 155's
   
   Hope they run alright after hearing what you guys just said about them eh
9. rushy_23 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1

   #9 11th May 2010, 19:51

   Have a read:
   
   http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=311767

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10. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #10 11th May 2010, 20:39

    I run Grp N's and 155lb Faulkners - great setup in my eyes.
11. gavin_t Established Member Joined: Jun 2009 Southend, essex Posts: 2079 1999 mk2 VTS EP3 2004 civic type r

    #11 11th May 2010, 20:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rushy_23 Im running B8s and 155 faulkners. There may be better out there but Im very happy I doubt you will be disappointed.

    
    
    +1 to this
12. Chris_O Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2007 Kent Posts: 4175 RB25'd s14a + 2008 MWB Transit

    #12 11th May 2010, 20:57

    good i'll look forward to fitting them then!
13. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #13 11th May 2010, 21:14

    The Group N's were fitted as a standard fitment on the saxo bilstein sprintline suspension kits and that had softer springs
14. rushy_23 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1

    #14 11th May 2010, 21:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KamRacing The Group N's were fitted as a standard fitment on the saxo bilstein sprintline suspension kits and that had softer springs

    I bought the Sprintline kit years ago and it came with B8s and Ventura springs dude. I assume these are the softer springs you are refering to.
    
    However definitely not Group N dampers packaged in my kit.
15. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #15 11th May 2010, 21:26

    I've seen people using Grp N billies with Eibach springs which I'm pretty sure are the same spring rate as standard springs?
16. rushy_23 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1

    #16 11th May 2010, 21:28

    But then a lot of people dont really know what good suspension feels like
17. ben_vts Established Member Joined: Jun 2009 keswick Posts: 1166 Clio 197

    #17 11th May 2010, 21:37

    Well i can always change if they are abit soft eh. Cheers anyways rushy
18. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #18 11th May 2010, 22:52

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rushy_23 I bought the Sprintline kit years ago and it came with B8s and Ventura springs dude. I assume these are the softer springs you are refering to. However definitely not Group N dampers packaged in my kit.

    then you got sent the peugeot 106 one - they were different...
19. rushy_23 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1

    #19 12th May 2010, 07:11

    Ahh I see. Why would they contain different parts in the same named kit! Strange stuff.
20. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #20 12th May 2010, 19:55

    Considering the cars are virtually identical I never understood it and try getting an answer from Bilstein... With the 106 running the bigger antirollbar I would have expected it to be the other way round
21. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #21 12th May 2010, 22:06

    I had B8 Sprintlines which i believe are the Group N spec shocks with -60mm Spax SSX springs, it was rock hard and was very enjoyable to drive..
22. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #22 12th May 2010, 22:51

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MaRiO89 I had B8 Sprintlines which i believe are the Group N spec shocks with -60mm Spax SSX springs, it was rock hard and was very enjoyable to drive..

    Sprintlines are equivilant to B8s that aint shortended no?
23. rushy_23 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1

    #23 13th May 2010, 14:41

    Sprintline was just the name of the kit.
24. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #24 13th May 2010, 14:46

    a sprintline kit consisted of a set of sprint dampers (shorter and uprated) and a set of ventura springs...
    
    Kev
25. user_7096 Established Member Joined: Sep 2005 Market Bosworth Posts: 2482 106 XSi 1360cc

    #25 13th May 2010, 15:38

    imo you want Grp N's all round inc. top mounts and custom 180lb faulkners..... bang on in my car
    little bumpy on shit roads, guess i just like to feel as much as possible through peddles and steering wheel.
    highly reccomeneded setup for handling and driver feedback