Is this Air filter setup ok?

1. dennett1992 Newbie Joined: May 2010 Posts: 17

   #1 11th May 2010, 17:58

   
   
   
   Where i have circled and that red line there should be a oil breather pipe connecting to it but it wasn't long enough but i was told to put a oil breather filter on the end of it which seems to work fine. On the air filter now theres nothing connecting to that circled area on the image, is that safe because its just a hole now.
   
   Any help be appreciated guys! thanks Matt!
2. woodysVTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 Redruth, Cornwall Posts: 940 Clio 172 Cup

   #2 11th May 2010, 18:19

   Its ok. You'll get alot of heatsoak on that filter and the underside of your bonnet will get slightly mucky as the breather vents the oil vapours onto it.
3. dennett1992 Newbie Joined: May 2010 Posts: 17

   #3 11th May 2010, 18:28

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by woodysVTR Its ok. You'll get alot of heatsoak on that filter and the underside of your bonnet will get slightly mucky as the breather vents the oil vapours onto it.

   Cheers mate as long as it's safe im not too bothered. what happens if i get alot of heatsoak then?
4. woodysVTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 Redruth, Cornwall Posts: 940 Clio 172 Cup

   #4 11th May 2010, 18:40

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by dennett1992 Cheers mate as long as it's safe im not too bothered. what happens if i get alot of heatsoak then?

   Well, ideally, the engine prefers cooler air, the engine bay will be hot from the manifold and engine block thus creating warm air, of which the filter will be taking in.
5. dennett1992 Newbie Joined: May 2010 Posts: 17

   #5 11th May 2010, 18:54

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by woodysVTR Well, ideally, the engine prefers cooler air, the engine bay will be hot from the manifold and engine block thus creating warm air, of which the filter will be taking in.

   is this bad for the engine?
6. user_40784 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2010 London Posts: 2768

   #6 11th May 2010, 19:00

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by dennett1992 is this bad for the engine?

   not bad, just that your engine wont perform as good. Cold air is more dense and so greater combustion compared to warmer air.
7. dennett1992 Newbie Joined: May 2010 Posts: 17

   #7 11th May 2010, 19:03

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   Originally Posted by johnr32 not bad, just that your engine wont perform as good. Cold air is more dense and so greater combustion compared to warmer air.

   K mate, im not too bothered about performance its only 1.1 anyway just like the noise!
8. Toms112 Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Wisbech/Peterborough Posts: 2218 2008 Ford Fiesta ST150

   #8 11th May 2010, 19:04

   I'd personally find something to cover that hole with
9. geoffgti88 Regular Poster Joined: May 2010 Shitty Redditch! Posts: 445 MK1 VTR Silver, 205 GTI track car, 306 S16

   #9 11th May 2010, 19:11

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   Originally Posted by Toms112 I'd personally find something to cover that hole with

   +1 cover the hole.
   I have the same filter and I have the pipe going into there as I dont like breather filters as they get mucky quick
10. mattknight1984 Established Member Joined: Feb 2004 Gloucestershire United Kingdom (England) Posts: 1261 VW Golf GT TDi 170 BMW 320ci 1988 mk2 Golf 16v

    #10 11th May 2010, 19:14

    Just buy a longer pipe?
    
    That hole needs to be at least covered up, but breathers can stink anyway so I'd just get a longer piece of pipe, should only cost a few quid.
11. user_40784 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2010 London Posts: 2768

    #11 11th May 2010, 19:15

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    Originally Posted by geoffgti88 +1 cover the hole. I have the same filter and I have the pipe going into there as I dont like breather filters as they get mucky quick

    Strange but mine doesnt seem to get mucky...
12. user_35312 Established Member Joined: Jun 2009 Coventry CV6 Posts: 2477 Slowda Octavia vRS SOLD - Cam'd Chip'd VTR

    #12 11th May 2010, 19:17

    yeah, you'll wanna tape that hole up or something, that hole defeats the object of an air filter and could just suck straight in without filtration
13. mattknight1984 Established Member Joined: Feb 2004 Gloucestershire United Kingdom (England) Posts: 1261 VW Golf GT TDi 170 BMW 320ci 1988 mk2 Golf 16v

    #13 11th May 2010, 19:30

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Lew_C yeah, you'll wanna tape that hole up or something, that hole defeats the object of an air filter and could just suck straight in without filtration

    Exactly - anything could end up getting sucked into the engine.
    
    Thats the trouble with forums, people give advice when its clearly wrong!
14. geoffgti88 Regular Poster Joined: May 2010 Shitty Redditch! Posts: 445 MK1 VTR Silver, 205 GTI track car, 306 S16

    #14 11th May 2010, 19:50

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by johnr32 Strange but mine doesnt seem to get mucky...

    I had one on my old 205 once and it used to let oil mist into the engine bay and made everything oily!
15. user_40784 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2010 London Posts: 2768

    #15 11th May 2010, 20:56

    Well my car doesnt get much use so I suppose thats why. I cover about 1k miles a year and clean my engine bay once a month.
16. user_39613 Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 Essex Posts: 1006

    #16 11th May 2010, 22:34

    Remove that silly oil breather filter and plumb it back in to the system again.
17. dennett1992 Newbie Joined: May 2010 Posts: 17

    #17 11th May 2010, 23:09

    k thanks guys will tape that hole up with something until i get a new pipe!
18. dennett1992 Newbie Joined: May 2010 Posts: 17

    #18 12th May 2010, 00:02

    what should i cover the hole with? any ideas until i get some pipe
19. user_8040 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2005 MaDchester Posts: 8432 Vts

    #19 12th May 2010, 11:43

    anything that wont get sucked in through the hole, chunky rubber bits or something, maybe tape?
20. Reechard Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 Cirencester Posts: 2286 2x Mazda Mx5s, Volvo s80, Citroen DS4

    #20 12th May 2010, 13:49

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    Originally Posted by mattknight1984 Exactly - anything could end up getting sucked into the engine. Thats the trouble with forums, people give advice when its clearly wrong!

    Well no anything could not get sucked in. Yes odd bit of dirt might, but highly doubtful it will do much damage, if only left for a short period.
    
    Tape over the top, then tape round that a few times so that it is secure.
    
    A bit of pipe shouldnt be more the a few quid to connect that.
21. dennett1992 Newbie Joined: May 2010 Posts: 17

    #21 12th May 2010, 17:50

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Reechard Well no anything could not get sucked in. Yes odd bit of dirt might, but highly doubtful it will do much damage, if only left for a short period. Tape over the top, then tape round that a few times so that it is secure. A bit of pipe shouldnt be more the a few quid to connect that.

    
    Cheers mate just taped it up for now, and ordered a oil breather pipe for a saxo from ebay just hope its longer than my old 1, if not ill just go to a scrappy!
22. PETE-VTR Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 york/ north yorkshire Posts: 1953

    #22 12th May 2010, 18:00

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mattknight1984 Exactly - anything could end up getting sucked into the engine. Thats the trouble with forums, people give advice when its clearly wrong!

    Like what? theres nothing in the bay thats loose to get sucked into such a small hole...
    
    some people run throttle bodies with no filters at trackdays, not going to instantly destroy your engine...
23. Reechard Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 Cirencester Posts: 2286 2x Mazda Mx5s, Volvo s80, Citroen DS4

    #23 12th May 2010, 19:08

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    Originally Posted by dennett1992 Cheers mate just taped it up for now, and ordered a oil breather pipe for a saxo from ebay just hope its longer than my old 1, if not ill just go to a scrappy!

    No problem.
    
    Tbh I think it will be the same length as your old one.
    All you need is some rubber hosing. Halfords sell it and used to be £4 per meter when I worked there.
24. dennett1992 Newbie Joined: May 2010 Posts: 17

    #24 12th May 2010, 20:26

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    Originally Posted by Reechard No problem. Tbh I think it will be the same length as your old one. All you need is some rubber hosing. Halfords sell it and used to be £4 per meter when I worked there.

    lol i hope not, wont be too bad anyway my old one snapped trying to fit the oil breather filter anyway. If it's short ill try halfords and get some and sort it out. cheers for the help mate!
25. Lexxi Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2009 West Sussex Posts: 162 Saxo VTR '00

    #25 13th May 2010, 08:36

    I had the same problems/query as you when i first got my pipercross kit, i left it open for a couple days until..
    
    voila
    
    
26. Reechard Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 Cirencester Posts: 2286 2x Mazda Mx5s, Volvo s80, Citroen DS4

    #26 13th May 2010, 09:23

    Lexxi can I point out that the pipe is too close and not directed at the actual filter?
    
    Move it round so its pointing at the filter rather than the metal top.
    or pop that section of the fee off.
27. dennett1992 Newbie Joined: May 2010 Posts: 17

    #27 13th May 2010, 21:12

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Lexxi I had the same problems/query as you when i first got my pipercross kit, i left it open for a couple days until.. voila

    where did you get that pipe from mate?
28. geoffgti88 Regular Poster Joined: May 2010 Shitty Redditch! Posts: 445 MK1 VTR Silver, 205 GTI track car, 306 S16

    #28 13th May 2010, 21:39

    That rubber extension for the filter looks a good idea! I have that filter and atmo its sucking hot air from behind the engine