what primer

1. Dobba-VtR Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Jarrow, south shields Posts: 363 current: 2001 silver vtr owned: blew up posi blue

   #1 12th May 2010, 16:03

   im just about to start refurbing my alloys
   just wondering what primer i should use
   i no i can use norm halfords primer but is there any beter stuff
   any sort of high build primer for metal?
   
   cheers dobba
2. mirrorblanks Established Member Joined: Apr 2010 liverpool Posts: 1737

   #2 12th May 2010, 16:04

   you need to use etch primer on wheels, just a coat or 2 and then you can use normal primer over the top
3. mirrorblanks Established Member Joined: Apr 2010 liverpool Posts: 1737

   #3 12th May 2010, 16:05

   i refurb wheels as part of my job
4. Dobba-VtR Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Jarrow, south shields Posts: 363 current: 2001 silver vtr owned: blew up posi blue

   #4 12th May 2010, 16:07

   where can i get it from and is it in a can?
5. mirrorblanks Established Member Joined: Apr 2010 liverpool Posts: 1737

   #5 12th May 2010, 16:34

   tbh i wouldn't use anything from halfords
   find a bodyshop/paint suppliers and they can mix it up in a can for you
6. user_31039 Established Member Joined: Feb 2009 Woking / Plymouth Posts: 1031 saxo 1.1 posi blue, saxo 1.4 furio black

   #6 12th May 2010, 17:19

   tbh just go to a good motorfactors and get some primer as they wont rip you off and normal primer will be fine mate.... unless you want to do a apsolutly amazing job as you will have to pay more for etch primer
7. mirrorblanks Established Member Joined: Apr 2010 liverpool Posts: 1737

   #7 12th May 2010, 17:32

   wheels need etching, going to listen to someone who does it as part of their job and is fully trained or someone who doesn't
8. user_41025 Established Member Joined: Jan 2010 grimsby Posts: 1421 citron saxo vtr 1.6i

   #8 12th May 2010, 17:39

   tbf if i was doing it i would just get a shop to do it then ya gunna no its done right
9. mirrorblanks Established Member Joined: Apr 2010 liverpool Posts: 1737

   #9 12th May 2010, 17:54

   £30-40 a wheel most places do it for
10. user_31039 Established Member Joined: Feb 2009 Woking / Plymouth Posts: 1031 saxo 1.1 posi blue, saxo 1.4 furio black

    #10 12th May 2010, 18:52

    im gonna pretty honest here i do a fair bit of spraying but i am not a proffesional by any means, but if you sand them down properly and use primer they will be fine, as i did this about 4 years ago on a set of steels i had, and they are still fine with no chips to date (but yes you should use etch primer )
11. Josh-VTR Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Peterborough Posts: 1292 Mk1 Saxo VTR, MK1 Saxo VTS, Ford Ka

    #11 12th May 2010, 18:56

    I'm no pro either, I sanded mine down and used normal primer and they came out fine - a lot cheaper as well. But I guess if you're willing to spend £40 50 a wheel fair do's but that way will cost you £20 for the lot including paint.
12. mirrorblanks Established Member Joined: Apr 2010 liverpool Posts: 1737

    #12 12th May 2010, 18:58

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wardesaxoboy im gonna pretty honest here i do a fair bit of spraying but i am not a proffesional by any means, but if you sand them down properly and use primer they will be fine, as i did this about 4 years ago on a set of steels i had, and they are still fine with no chips to date (but yes you should use etch primer )

    
    steels don't really need etching, alloys do
13. Dobba-VtR Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Jarrow, south shields Posts: 363 current: 2001 silver vtr owned: blew up posi blue

    #13 12th May 2010, 20:05

    cheers for all the replies guys but anotther question
    ive sanded the alloys down but theres still little marks in the metal not huge and when i rub fingers/hand over they wheels feel smooth, will etching primer build up and cover these? and how far down should i go with sand paper? like to the finest wet and dry or will that not be needed?
    
    the wheels are getting painted in gloss black aswell if that makes a difference
    
    another thing i aint got a proper paint gun was jus going to use cans does etching primer come in cans?
    
    once gain helps much appeciated
    dobba
14. gazwiththevtr Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 Prestwick Posts: 239 Currently Own Citroen Saxo VTR Previously Owne

    #14 12th May 2010, 20:12

    I would use filler primer on your wheels . Or high build primer ,is the real name for it . Sand the wheels until the shine is off them ,and are very dull . Bare metalling wheels isnt essential when refurbing them ,I dont know why a lot of people on here are under that misconception.
    
    Spray a first coat leave 15 mins ,then spray a heavier coat until the wheels are covered
    
    Allow a day for them to dry ,then get some 2000 grit wet and dry sandpaper and wet sand the wheels this will make them really smooth for the paint to go on.
    
    Spray the wheels your desired colour with a good few coats ,allow to dry for a day. Then wet sand them the same as you did with the primer ,dry the wheels and apply a lot of laquer .
    
    Lots of people skip the wet sanding but you'll get a better finish if you do it.
15. Dobba-VtR Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Jarrow, south shields Posts: 363 current: 2001 silver vtr owned: blew up posi blue

    #15 12th May 2010, 20:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gazwiththevtr I would use filler primer on your wheels . Or high build primer ,is the real name for it . Sand the wheels until the shine is off them ,and are very dull . Bare metalling wheels isnt essential when refurbing them ,I dont know why a lot of people on here are under that misconception. Spray a first coat leave 15 mins ,then spray a heavier coat until the wheels are covered Allow a day for them to dry ,then get some 2000 grit wet and dry sandpaper and wet sand the wheels this will make them really smooth for the paint to go on. Spray the wheels your desired colour with a good few coats ,allow to dry for a day. Then wet sand them the same as you did with the primer ,dry the wheels and apply a lot of laquer . Lots of people skip the wet sanding but you'll get a better finish if you do it.

    
    cheers for that
    but what after i prime the wheels you can still see marks in the metal through the primer just build the primer up until i cant see any marks and wet n dry inbetween coats of the primer?
16. mirrorblanks Established Member Joined: Apr 2010 liverpool Posts: 1737

    #16 12th May 2010, 20:36

    don't use filler primer, use etch, it is quite thick
    don't bother wet flatting between coats, just build the primer up and it will just need wet flatting after the last coat
17. gazwiththevtr Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 Prestwick Posts: 239 Currently Own Citroen Saxo VTR Previously Owne

    #17 12th May 2010, 22:18

    there shouldnt be any marks ,use a half decent sand paper i use 180grit ,from homebase ,comes on a 2.5 or 5 meter roll and is quality stuff .
18. mirrorblanks Established Member Joined: Apr 2010 liverpool Posts: 1737

    #18 13th May 2010, 15:36

    you should work down to around 320-400 grit before even considering putting any primer on
19. gazwiththevtr Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 Prestwick Posts: 239 Currently Own Citroen Saxo VTR Previously Owne

    #19 13th May 2010, 19:06

    its always different ,depends what your wheels are like for a start are they proper nackered looking?
20. mirrorblanks Established Member Joined: Apr 2010 liverpool Posts: 1737

    #20 13th May 2010, 19:08

    no it doesn't, you still need to take them down with smoother grits to prep them
21. Morgan_VTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Bristol/Bucks Posts: 2931 N3CNM 8v y0¬!

    #21 26th May 2010, 14:24

    Im confused. I thought etch primer was essential for mild steel items as it provides rust protection? Im looking to paint up my spare steel so any clarification would be great.
    
    Definitely dont need etch on normal alloys, as I did my VTR's in white and the finish was very good for DIY....
22. user_23168 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2008 N. Ireland Posts: 576 BMW 328i Coupe with M3 diff

    #22 27th May 2010, 11:30

    I was under the impression that etch primer was only needed if you took the wheels back to bare metal…cause it helps the paint stick and stops paint flaking or something along those lines.
23. mirrorblanks Established Member Joined: Apr 2010 liverpool Posts: 1737

    #23 27th May 2010, 12:51

    etch bites into either bare metal or whatever you put it on top, it isn't just for bare metal
24. Morgan_VTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Bristol/Bucks Posts: 2931 N3CNM 8v y0¬!

    #24 27th May 2010, 13:47

    Thank you both for clarification. "U haz massif e-willies y0!"