Are there problems with lowering torsion?

1. user_37545 Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Southampton, UK Posts: 1908 Po-Low.

   #1 13th May 2010, 22:55

   Read the title(:
   
   Dad refuses to help me till hes assured, help me out ;D
2. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

   #2 13th May 2010, 23:04

   no problem with it if its done correctly, only when its done badly is it not good practice
3. y1dd0 L-plater Joined: Sep 2009 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 69 Seat Leon Cupra 20v Turbo, White mk1 Saxo Vtr

   #3 14th May 2010, 09:28

   As mandyslover70 said, if this is done properly there are no problems. I followed Simo's guide and had no issues at all, apart from the torsion bar being a bit stiff to remove. Would definately advise using this guide if you're not sure what you're doing.
4. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

   #4 14th May 2010, 09:57

   Aslong as you do the car the correct way you shouldnt have any problems..If you do it the "notches" way by taking the trailing arms off the beam, re-positioning them to the desired height then putting them back on, chances are you will have problems..The seal on the bearings wont re-seal correctly, water will get into them and destroy your whole Axle..You could do it this way if you were going to replace the bearings at the same time, that would be fine..
   
   If you do it the correct way, by removing the torsion bar's, not the trailing arm's you wont have any issues whatsoever..
   
   Most garages do it the wrong way, by removing the trailing arms, this happened to me and when i stripped my axle down i found that my bearings were totally dry and were almost knackered..Eventually my axle did die though despite re greasing the bearings, i didnt realise at the time that once you break the seal between the trailing arms and bearings it will never re-seal properly..
   
   If you take it to a garage to have it done, supply them with new bearings and ask them to fit those aswell, everything should be ok then although that method still isn't really ideal as it doesn't allow for accurate lowering..
   
   Hope this helps!

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5. Furio-92 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Newcastle, Ashington Posts: 5086 Cammed and VTR'd Furio. Corsa c - Slammed & Euro

   #5 14th May 2010, 10:02

   I would get it done by some one who knows what they are doing, thats what im doing; getting mine lowered next week
6. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

   #6 14th May 2010, 10:25

   sorry Mario, but even if you replace there bearings the notch method is WRONG, it puts too much tension on the torsion bar as it only releases one end of the bar thus pre-tensioning it. Theres only one acceptable way of doing it and thats the right way, oh and i run a garage and certainly only do it the right way, don't tar us all with the same brush as the monkeys you have used.
7. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

   #7 14th May 2010, 10:38

   I did say its not the ideal method if you read my post..
   
   I'm not tarring anyone with any brush, but myself and most people i know on here and where i live who have owned/own car's with torsion bar's that have approached plenty of different garages, they all say they will do it the "notches" way..Its probably easier for them and quicker..
   
   Personally i wont go anywhere near garages as most of them are monkey's imo who treat customers car's with no respect whatsoever, im not the only person in the country who shares this view either..Most people i know dont trust garages at all..
8. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

   #8 14th May 2010, 10:39

   don't even see how the notch method is even any quicker then doing it properly though which is why i can't understand anyone doing it, it wrong on so many levels
9. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

   #9 14th May 2010, 10:42

   I dont know why most garages do it that way either, i was simply trying to advise the original poster in this thread..
   
   I said its not the ideal method, its certainly not dangerous and if the bearings are replaced at the same time you wont have any issues..
   
   Its a daunting job for someone to undertake if they aren't a mechanic and i was trying to advise this chap that if he takes it to a garage and they say they will do it the notches way and he cant get anyone else to do it that he should supply them with new bearings aswell to avoid premature failure..
10. user_37545 Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Southampton, UK Posts: 1908 Po-Low.

    #10 14th May 2010, 16:20

    http://www.suzukituning.com/PSA/Suspension/Lowering.htm
    
    is this the wrong way?
    
    if so is there a right way someone can inform me of?
    
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAUjQQhpm_I
    
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LR4MX-Kc4c
    
    that there, (part one and two) is another way.. is that the right way?
    
    thanks guys <3
11. vtsal Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Amlwch Posts: 156 Saxo VTR

    #11 14th May 2010, 18:15

    I think your top link is the right way to do it mate
    
    Al
12. titchster Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Down't road from Sheffield Posts: 4641 Was:16v 106 XS ..... Now: Import 1.8 MX5

    #12 14th May 2010, 18:27

    The Suzuki Tuning link is the right way.