furio power or vtr?

21st May 2010, 16:47

basically im picking a vtr engine and box and next week? is it worth taking the vtr parts and bolting them to the furio lump? or should i rebuild the vtr engine and dump some cams in it and have it mapped?

cheers guys

21st May 2010, 16:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by wardesaxoboy

basically im picking a vtr engine and box and next week? is it worth taking the vtr parts and bolting them to the furio lump? or should i rebuild the vtr engine and dump some cams in it and have it mapped?

cheers guys

Tbh mate if i was you id go all the way and VTS it for the effort of taking the engine out and putting a new in its worth going all the way, but if you've already bought it then i would put a CAM in (not cams as its a SOHC 8v)and get it mapped.

Lee

21st May 2010, 17:42

if iam honest mate id go vtr if your picking it up... you can keep it out the car clean it up make it look nice/run well

if you think about the money ive spent and iam only on 90bhp.... you could start at 90...

21st May 2010, 19:17

Drop the vtr lump in

21st May 2010, 19:22

drop the vtr in as it is, no point rebuilding it and easy enough to jus put in.

Meanwhile get a vts engine and rebuilt that if you want to take things further. You might be happy with the vtr engine, im more than happy with my R engine

21st May 2010, 20:20

cheers for the help guys and ive decided the r lump will be dropped in next summer

as that gives me a year to build it up

any tips on what other parts i should change on the r lump as i want to do cams, and a few other bits ?
also only gonna stick the vtr engine in as i want to be different, everyone these days just drops a s lump in, but i personally think the vtr is better

21st May 2010, 21:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by wardesaxoboy

cheers for the help guys and ive decided the r lump will be dropped in next summer

as that gives me a year to build it up

any tips on what other parts i should change on the r lump as i want to do cams, and a few other bits ?
also only gonna stick the vtr engine in as i want to be different, everyone these days just drops a s lump in, but i personally think the vtr is better

ive just brought a vtr lump for my quiksilver as they have the same engine as the furio.
im just getting it fitted as i have 1 months warrenty on the engine so want get it in see if it is a dencet one whilst its still in warenty.
im keeping my 1.4 gearbox (should be quicker accelaration that vtr aswell

)
new quicksilver clutch
timing belt kit including rollers and tensioner
water pump
engine oil+oil filter
sparkplugs
gearbox oil
fuel filter
new coolant and power steering fluid
get the valve clearancies adjusted and set up.

if ur rebuilding the enigine i would change all the parts in the above list plus, headgasket,camsaft seals,valve seals,rocker cover gakset,sump gasket,head bolts (as they are strech fit).
then undo the 2 bolts on the big eads and check the big ends and push the piston up from underneith and check all the piston rings, if any cracks or scoring then these will neede changing. if not then i would just refit.

if you do want to cam the engine then this is the best time to do it as the cam goes into the head from the bottom up so means the head needs to come off the block so new headgasket ect.

if you do cam the engine then remember your going to need a veriner pully unless you find a cam that will run on standard timing but u want a veriner puly so u can get it set up on a rolling road and get the timing adjusted to make the most bhp.

if i was you i would clean the engine up get it fitted and do a compesion test on the engine to check the headgasket.
if it passes then just keep abit aside for if it does go on you.
give it a good service including getting the valves set up right.
then add a decent exhaust manifold and airfilter and jobs a good one.

you might be able to run the vtr engine on your furio ecu if you have the vtr injectors i will soon be able to tell you 100% as im hopefully having mine put in next weekend

21st May 2010, 23:34

hope all goes well mate

22nd May 2010, 02:43

me too mate

i still love furio power though the little 1.4's are amazing, but its time to dump something bigger in, due to doing to many moterway miles

22nd May 2010, 23:41

vtr with cam , stainless manifold and exhaust panel filter drilled airbox, and maybe a chip should be good

22nd May 2010, 23:42

Vtr lump will be heavier

23rd May 2010, 11:09

furio 840kg and the vtr bein 920

furio got an ally block?

23rd May 2010, 11:50

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Originally Posted by samueljonburgess

furio 840kg and the vtr bein 920

furio got an ally block?

after going to how many scrapyards and looking at engines ive found that the 1.1,1.4 and 1.6 8valve engines are almost identical.

the furio comes with 165,55,14 steel wheels and the vtr with 185,55,14 alloys so thats probs an extra 10-20kg with all for and the spare.

then the brakes are vented so they weigh more and the calipers are bigger so they weigh more aswell.

are the anti roll bar and torsion bars thicker?
do rear discs,calipers and pads weigh more than drums?
does the vtr have a bigger radiator?

all these little things could add up to the difference in weight.

23rd May 2010, 12:24

1.1,furios and vtrs all have the same rad

i just wondered if the furio had an ally block? think somone said it before

23rd May 2010, 12:43

I think your right sam, they do have an ally block, bear in mind the vtr's have the disc beam axle aswell, basicly with all the other bits you said that basicly adds up all the weight

23rd May 2010, 12:52

id say discs are lighter than drums to be honest

23rd May 2010, 13:06

okay..shh.. i'll go back in my corner now haha, i actually forgot about that lol

23rd May 2010, 13:10

haha just that drums you have the case and all the internals etc

23rd May 2010, 13:27

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Originally Posted by samueljonburgess

haha just that drums you have the case and all the internals etc

ok fair play drums are heavyer than discs. you get the poin tho all i was trying to say is the engine alone isnt all the extra weight.

23rd May 2010, 13:34

wouldnt bother with camming a vtr engine and mapping it, be easier and cheaper to just drop a vts in it

23rd May 2010, 15:21

as above everybody drops a vts engine in these days, i would be happier with the vtr lump

23rd May 2010, 18:01

for a reason, people havnt got the money to piss away on a slower lump with bits added which still doesnt produce the same power (well it might just)

23rd May 2010, 18:50

lol doesnt matter to me

i only want a vtr lump so thats whats gonna be dropped in

if i wanted a vts lump, i would just stick a vts lump in it

23rd May 2010, 18:55

Team 8v FTW

23rd May 2010, 21:39

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Originally Posted by xcore

for a reason, people havnt got the money to piss away on a slower lump with bits added which still doesnt produce the same power (well it might just)

not everyone has money to just throw at insurance?

23rd May 2010, 23:27

another reason aswell for having the 8 valve lump

24th May 2010, 00:48

8v ftw. plans sound good mate

24th May 2010, 01:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by samueljonburgess

not everyone has money to just throw at insurance?

but i dout putting a new engine in, then adding a new cam and remapping it will be much less then a vts to insure if your doing it legit

24th May 2010, 15:45

do you have nothing better to do XCORE than tell me what engine i should stick in my car??? ohh and btw i am doing it legit

and it will cost less mapped and cammed than to stcik a vts lump in

and insure it..

24th May 2010, 16:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by xcore

but i dout putting a new engine in, then adding a new cam and remapping it will be much less then a vts to insure if your doing it legit

he got point warde, ur find that as the mods of the vtr lump will boost the insurance up mately! plus u have to wait til u got a few more yrs under ur belt as the insurance will be sky high mate!

ur paying £2000 for ur furio right??? so bumpin a cammed vtr plus extra into, will be pretty high, i agree with Xcore, get a vts engine and cam that extra, it will be worth the power at the end of the day!

but its ur car , so u can do what u want,

its all good sayin yeah Team 8v, but seriously why buy an 8v when u can get a 16v