vts conversion problem

1. bmxlube Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 216 saxo 1.6 16v east cost (scraped) saxo 1.6 vtr

   #1 29th May 2010, 22:54

   right i fitted a vts engine and loom in my 1.1 today went to start it and it blew a fuse in the engine bay and come up with a box with a key in on the dials does any one know what the prob could be
2. vtr__alex L-plater Joined: Aug 2009 wolverhampton Posts: 72 1998 saxo vtr

   #2 29th May 2010, 23:01

   Box and a key is the immobiliser wiring wrong somewhere if yu blew a fuse
3. bmxlube Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 216 saxo 1.6 16v east cost (scraped) saxo 1.6 vtr

   #3 29th May 2010, 23:11

   i dont think my car had an immobiliser to start with and all i did was plug the vts loom in i didnt do any thing to the wiring
4. vtr__alex L-plater Joined: Aug 2009 wolverhampton Posts: 72 1998 saxo vtr

   #4 29th May 2010, 23:16

   The vts it came from probly did yu need to get the ecu unlocked or get the key with the chip in. Maybe a trapped wire then
5. bmxlube Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 216 saxo 1.6 16v east cost (scraped) saxo 1.6 vtr

   #5 29th May 2010, 23:43

   my ecu has been unlocked i brought it off ryan and it has had a pin taken out so it wont lock agen
6. vtr__alex L-plater Joined: Aug 2009 wolverhampton Posts: 72 1998 saxo vtr

   #6 29th May 2010, 23:56

   It's a definate immobiliser problem if it's flashin up on the dash can't think of any other way round it someone else might
7. bmxlube Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 216 saxo 1.6 16v east cost (scraped) saxo 1.6 vtr

   #7 29th May 2010, 23:59

   what is the black box under the ecu is that the immobiliser
8. vtr__alex L-plater Joined: Aug 2009 wolverhampton Posts: 72 1998 saxo vtr

   #8 30th May 2010, 00:10

   Yup that's it
9. bmxlube Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 216 saxo 1.6 16v east cost (scraped) saxo 1.6 vtr

   #9 30th May 2010, 00:17

   so if i take the vts one out and put the original one on from my 1.1 would this help
10. vtr__alex L-plater Joined: Aug 2009 wolverhampton Posts: 72 1998 saxo vtr

    #10 30th May 2010, 00:22

    Yh shud work if yu have yur ecu unlocked
11. Ax_beefy Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cannock Posts: 973 Citroen AX VTS

    #11 30th May 2010, 00:34

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bmxlube what is the black box under the ecu is that the immobiliser

    No its not. That is your ignition relay.
    
    It sounds very much to me like your car has locked the ECU again. If you remove the glovebox you should see a black box behind there (this is your transponder that processes the signal from the key chip and tells the ECU to work) this needs to be disconnected before you try another unlocked ECU. You could try the same ecu again once this is disconnected but that light means that the imobiliser is active, are you sure it was unlocked properly?
12. bmxlube Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 216 saxo 1.6 16v east cost (scraped) saxo 1.6 vtr

    #12 30th May 2010, 00:46

    well i got the ecu from ryanmt for £95 and said it cant be locked so if it is locked i will not be happy and i dont know any one with another ecu that is unlocked so i will have to try it agen once i have removed transponder
13. Ax_beefy Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cannock Posts: 973 Citroen AX VTS

    #13 30th May 2010, 01:26

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bmxlube well i got the ecu from ryanmt for £95 and said it cant be locked so if it is locked i will not be happy and i dont know any one with another ecu that is unlocked so i will have to try it agen once i have removed transponder

    If its one of Ryans then you shouldn't have an issue with the ECU. If there is an issue Ryan will sort it as he is a sound guy. You need to find out why your fuse blew as I doubt that is imobilser related then hopefully the car will run for you and you can just take the bulb out of th light lol
14. bmxlube Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 216 saxo 1.6 16v east cost (scraped) saxo 1.6 vtr

    #14 30th May 2010, 06:54

    I have tryed to find out but can't find any thing it says it's f14 fuse any one know what this fuse is for
15. Ax_beefy Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cannock Posts: 973 Citroen AX VTS

    #15 30th May 2010, 14:05

    F14 in the engine bay is left hand dipped beam according to the haynes, why this would affect the running of the car unless it has shorted badly and melted the fuse board is beyond me
16. bmxlube Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 216 saxo 1.6 16v east cost (scraped) saxo 1.6 vtr

    #16 30th May 2010, 20:16

    Ok I found out the fuse was a different problem not to do with the engine
    when I tryed to start the engine the square with the key has now gone but car won't start it sounds like it wants to but won't what could I do to get it going
17. Ax_beefy Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cannock Posts: 973 Citroen AX VTS

    #17 30th May 2010, 20:58

    Check all your connections etc. also check the battery is topped up if you've been turning it over alot. Are you using the 1.1 saxo pump? if so this is probably your issue as I'm sure the 1.1 will be spi so operate at a lower pressure so you wont get enough fuel. You'll need a furio/vtr/vts pump imo
18. bmxlube Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 216 saxo 1.6 16v east cost (scraped) saxo 1.6 vtr

    #18 31st May 2010, 13:38

    I have sorted every thing out I'm just not getting a spark and it's really annoying me now can any one help I have tryed every thing
19. Ax_beefy Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cannock Posts: 973 Citroen AX VTS

    #19 31st May 2010, 14:50

    have you double checked the crank sensor?
20. bmxlube Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 216 saxo 1.6 16v east cost (scraped) saxo 1.6 vtr

    #20 31st May 2010, 14:52

    i havent could i use the one off my 1.1 engine that i took out
21. Ax_beefy Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cannock Posts: 973 Citroen AX VTS

    #21 31st May 2010, 15:37

    Not sure but I would have thought the signal would be the same, I just meant is it clean and connected up properly, no damaged wires etc. I tend to find this is a common cause of no spark issues, especialy when fitting new engines as its not something you think about

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22. bmxlube Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 216 saxo 1.6 16v east cost (scraped) saxo 1.6 vtr

    #22 31st May 2010, 18:47

    thanks ax_beefy
23. Ax_beefy Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cannock Posts: 973 Citroen AX VTS

    #23 31st May 2010, 19:48

    does that mean its working now?
24. bmxlube Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 216 saxo 1.6 16v east cost (scraped) saxo 1.6 vtr

    #24 1st June 2010, 17:20

    it is runnign i changed it over to the one that was on the 1.1 and it started right up thanks for your help
25. Ax_beefy Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cannock Posts: 973 Citroen AX VTS

    #25 1st June 2010, 17:49

    Mint, glad to be of service