ignition problem

1. user_25897 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2008 preston lancashire Posts: 3210 1999 mango west coast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

   #1 1st June 2010, 19:53

   for a couple of months now when ive tried to start the car its made a funny noise (like a scratchin noise) and wont start until i turn ignition off and try again....
   
   drove back from blackburn today and when i took the key out of the ignition the key was hot? anyway never thought anything of it...
   
   
   just been out to the car and tried to start it... but it wont start the ignition lights all come on but it doesnt even try to turn over?
   
   
   please help me...
   whats my problem??
2. user_25897 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2008 preston lancashire Posts: 3210 1999 mango west coast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

   #2 1st June 2010, 20:18

   also noticed that my engine management light is on too
3. BobCm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Apr 2009 Orpington Posts: 1406 My son drives a Poseidon Blue Saxo Mk2 1.6i VTR.

   #3 1st June 2010, 20:27

   Hey Sarah,
   
   Does the key symbol on the dash light up?
   
   Bob

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4. user_25897 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2008 preston lancashire Posts: 3210 1999 mango west coast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

   #4 1st June 2010, 20:41

   hiya bob yeah the key symbol comes on but it goes off.... so i know its not the imobiliser
5. BobCm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Apr 2009 Orpington Posts: 1406 My son drives a Poseidon Blue Saxo Mk2 1.6i VTR.

   #5 1st June 2010, 20:45

   Hey Sarah,
   
   Ok, great. "Hot key" has got me stumped! Could be your starter motor is failing.
   
   However, is the engine light on all the time or does it flash when you cannot start the car?
   
   Bob
6. user_25897 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2008 preston lancashire Posts: 3210 1999 mango west coast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

   #6 1st June 2010, 20:45

   the engine management light is on and its steady on
7. BobCm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Apr 2009 Orpington Posts: 1406 My son drives a Poseidon Blue Saxo Mk2 1.6i VTR.

   #7 1st June 2010, 20:50

   OK,
   
   Then they may be unrelated. I am assuming that the engine light is on even when you have no problems starting the car.
   
   Starter motor probably not well and I'd guess the engine light is emissions related.
8. user_25897 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2008 preston lancashire Posts: 3210 1999 mango west coast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

   #8 1st June 2010, 20:51

   b4 this happend the engine manangement light wasnt on? i only noticed it on when i tried to start it and it wouldnt turn over
9. BobCm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Apr 2009 Orpington Posts: 1406 My son drives a Poseidon Blue Saxo Mk2 1.6i VTR.

   #9 1st June 2010, 20:55

   Ok. Its ignition related then. I recall reading that the engine light comes on during a "misfire".
   
   Could be plugs, coilpack or the TDC sensor.
   
   I'll check and confirm.
10. user_25897 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2008 preston lancashire Posts: 3210 1999 mango west coast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    #10 1st June 2010, 20:57

    thanks bob your a great help
11. user_25897 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2008 preston lancashire Posts: 3210 1999 mango west coast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    #11 1st June 2010, 21:03

    my stepdads thinking it could be the ignition barrel??
12. BobCm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Apr 2009 Orpington Posts: 1406 My son drives a Poseidon Blue Saxo Mk2 1.6i VTR.

    #12 1st June 2010, 21:09

    Yup, thought as I thought a "misfire" sets the engine warning light. The ECU can tell if there is no ignition.
    
    But to add to this list it could be fuel related so add the injectors to the list. You'll need to get the fault codes read to avoid just changing bits and pieces.
    
    The "BOOK" says: Misfiring is detected by the monitoring of instantaneous speed changes created by each piston stroke... Check:
    The ignition - plugs, coil, harnesses
    Injection: weak air/fuel mixture [fuel filter blocked]
    Fuel pressure [fuel pump or leaks]
    Injector seized
    Induction air leaks
    Valve seals [compression test]
13. BobCm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Apr 2009 Orpington Posts: 1406 My son drives a Poseidon Blue Saxo Mk2 1.6i VTR.

    #13 1st June 2010, 21:10

    Well if he fixes it ignore the above...
14. user_25897 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2008 preston lancashire Posts: 3210 1999 mango west coast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    #14 1st June 2010, 21:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BobC Well if he fixes it ignore the above...

    haha he wont fix it he has no idea about cars!!! just him guessing ohhhh im sooo mad last year just after the mot the headgasket went...
    
    and this year the mot is due later this month and this happens