Vts or cam?

  1. Frequent Poster Joined: May 2009 south west Posts: 798 03 black vtr :) RB FF 182
    #1
    im not sure what to do.....

    shell i just VTS my car or get this................

    http://www.kamracing.co.uk/index.php...camshafts.html

    cam?

    how much more power will i get? and what sort or price will it cost to get fitted and for a ecu remap?

    thanks..............
  2. Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Kent Posts: 755
    #2
    put a vts engine in

    you would need more than a cam to get vts power from a vtr, and that cam is going to cost you like £200 with postage... save it towards a vts conversion
  3. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS
    #3
    After trying both, I'd go for a VTS engine and gearbox every time.

    A Newman PH3 (fitted with a vernier pulley) and breathing mods (particular an aftermarket manifold and decat) will see you in the region of 120bhp ATF after having the timing adjusted on a rolling road, and no remap (not reqired for a PH3 or similar profile cam imho). The engine does feel a bit more torquey, but not VTS pace - possibly the VTR gearbox let my setup down though.
  4. Frequent Poster Joined: May 2009 south west Posts: 798 03 black vtr :) RB FF 182
    #4
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Pug106-GTI View Post
    put a vts engine in

    you would need more than a cam to get vts power from a vtr, and that cam is going to cost you like £200 with postage... save it towards a vts conversion
    yea i was just wording what BHP it would be? i kwn but everyone just dose a VTS conversion i think its a bit boring no one realy dose up VTR engines lol prob cuz its a wast of money lol
  5. Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 rotherham Posts: 1832 Be scirocco, full on 03plate track spec Saxo
    #5
    like above save for a vts engine mate, then you can always save for cams for tht, you could cam a vtr block then you get bored of it wont more power end up getting a vts block money wasted on the cams for vtr
  6. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS
    #6
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by laurence View Post
    yea i was just wording what BHP it would be? i kwn but everyone just dose a VTS conversion i think its a bit boring no one realy dose up VTR engines lol prob cuz its a wast of money lol
    I thought the same, but then surely there's a reason for it.

    To make 'doing up' the VTR engine worthwhile, you need to spend a lot of money. VTS/ JP4 transplant works out cheaper imo.
  7. Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2008 dunstable Posts: 111 Saxo vtr phase 1 in white
    #7
    i say turbo it mate keep the vtr engine get them cams nd save up for a turbo conversion, everybody changes the engine for a vts these days do something different......its torque that moves the car not BHP.........the vtr being a 8v engine naturally produces more low down torque than a 16v stick with it mate!!
  8. Established Member Joined: Mar 2008 Skipton/Loughborough Posts: 1959 VW Bora TDI
    #8
    Depends what you're after tbh.

    If you want to loose your license as quickly as possible... go down the 16V route...

    I cammed my 8V mainly for insurance reasons. Wanted more power... but they wont insure me on a 16V. Made sense

    You should probably budget about £400 to cam it, doing all the work yourself. There are plenty of things you need besides the cam... all adds up!

    Also, the work involved in fitting a new engine compared to camming the VTR lump... Much easier, took me two days to cam my VTR
  9. Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta
    #9
    if you want power. VTS engine is the cheapest and reliable option. Then you have futher scope for more power when you realise how slow a vts really is
  10. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 northern ireland (joyriding country) Posts: 124 1998 Saxo Vtr Black Top (for sale soon)
    #10
    go vts.
    a cammed vtr would probly be abit harder on juice then a standard vts
  11. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS
    #11
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stevie__mc View Post
    go vts.
    a cammed vtr would probly be abit harder on juice then a standard vts
    You'd be surprised - my cammed VTR was excellent on fuel, no worse than in standard form. The VTS uses a fair bit more in comparison.
  12. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 northern ireland (joyriding country) Posts: 124 1998 Saxo Vtr Black Top (for sale soon)
    #12
    fair enough. i would have though the 8 valves would be sore enough
  13. Established Member Joined: Mar 2008 Skipton/Loughborough Posts: 1959 VW Bora TDI
    #13
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by LeeumH View Post
    You'd be surprised - my cammed VTR was excellent on fuel, no worse than in standard form. The VTS uses a fair bit more in comparison.
    Yeh i'll second that, i'm still getting really good mpg from my VTR

    Way better than a 16V conversion i had anyway
  14. Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2009 armitage/lichfield/rugeley/staffordshire Posts: 174 106 XSi saxo vtr saxo vtr converted to vts
    #14
    vts mate just see it as a vts will always be able 2 put out more than a vtr
  15. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.
    #15
    Id save your money enjoy the car and then buy a vts.
  16. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #16
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MiniGibbo View Post
    Id save your money enjoy the car and then buy a vts.
    i agree.

    Unless of course you get the VTS engine and box cheap and fitting it yourself to save costs.
  17. Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2009 armitage/lichfield/rugeley/staffordshire Posts: 174 106 XSi saxo vtr saxo vtr converted to vts
    #17
    true its just plug and play really u dont even need a vts box but surpose its better sum say the vtr's better sum dont im saving money and gonna wait for my vtr box 2 die then get a vts box but yeah ive found a lump for 350quid inc loom and ecu so not 2 bad
  18. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.
    #18
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    i agree.

    Unless of course you get the VTS engine and box cheap and fitting it yourself to save costs.
    Seeing as you can pick up a sub 100k vts for less than grand, and the knock in value a vtr 16v would take over a genuine vts never understood it.

    Only time id see fit would be if the vtr was fully caged etc.
  19. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #19
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by littleo13 View Post
    true its just plug and play really u dont even need a vts box but surpose its better sum say the vtr's better sum dont im saving money and gonna wait for my vtr box 2 die then get a vts box but yeah ive found a lump for 350quid inc loom and ecu so not 2 bad
    pointless fitting a vts engine with a vtr box, probably be slower then when you had the VTR engine
  20. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2008 Rotherham Posts: 4614 Black mk2 vts
    #20
    Go 16v, then can that
  21. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #21
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 3cott View Post
    Go 16v, then can that
  22. Newbie Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 21
    #22
    ive got a nice set off pt51 kent cams for vts for sale
  23. Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Lichfield Posts: 378 MK2 VTS, MK2 VTR
    #23
    Although Vtr with cams is fairly nippy, if you want real power and at the top end where the VTr lacks, go 16v. Big difference between my 2 and my vtr and vts is cammed. Vts a lot quicker.