Diagnose Squeak

4th June 2010, 00:14

Got a squeak which is getting more and more prominent and annoying!

Quite a high pitched squeak, and can be made to happen by taking foot off throttle where the car jolts slightly, going over bumps can also cause this.

But - when I put foot down on the clutch, I can't make the noise unless I'm starting the car (Where it happens regardless of clutch position)
Thinking it could be Clutch/Gearbox related?

Cheers Peoples

4th June 2010, 00:22

sounds like a clutch release bearing going mate if its squeeking, or mabey a engine mount

4th June 2010, 00:23

Have WD40'ed the engine mounts, so woulda stopped it for a while at least - so might be clutch bearing, how easy is that to do ?

4th June 2010, 00:30

gearbox out job, it sits on the clutch lever fork, pretty easy to change once the gearbox is out, may as well change the clutch whilst your there

4th June 2010, 00:32

Clutch is around £60? Bearing can't be too much can it?

How long you thinking it'll take?

Cheers for your help mate

4th June 2010, 00:36

if you go to GSF they do it in a kit for around 60-70 quid somthing like that, it comes as a 3 piece kit, a new pressure plate, clutch, and clutch release bearing, not to sure if you can get a new bearing on its own though, as I needed to do a clutch the other week on my car.

4th June 2010, 08:24

I had a high pitched squea that only happened when there was no load (i.e. disappeared as soon as you touched the accelerator) and it turned out to be the intermediate bearing on the drivers side driveshaft.

4th June 2010, 09:57

oh my god this has come up yet AGAIN. ive had this for ages. Still dont know what it is... Im taking it down to a garage today to get it checked again.

Its like when the engines under stress.. i.e when your tapping accelerator and releasing it. It sounds like its coming from the front somewhere. Some people said exhaust flange. Then gerabox mounts. Now it according to you guys it could be the Engine mounts or the intermediate bearing on the drive shaft... I may shootmyself before i sort this out lol.

BTW - my squeek goes after about 10 mins of driving
it only does it when its cold.

4th June 2010, 10:04

I'd go for the exhaust flange. When cold, start the car and move your hand around it to see if its leaking, and get someone to rev the engine and keep an ear out

Where the exhaust bracket is next to the gearbox, I had that welded a bit odd and it pulled my flange apart a little, had to grind the bracket to get it to sit right and get a new gasket + sealant.

4th June 2010, 15:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlvtr88

oh my god this has come up yet AGAIN. ive had this for ages. Still dont know what it is... Im taking it down to a garage today to get it checked again.

Its like when the engines under stress.. i.e when your tapping accelerator and releasing it. It sounds like its coming from the front somewhere. Some people said exhaust flange. Then gerabox mounts. Now it according to you guys it could be the Engine mounts or the intermediate bearing on the drive shaft... I may shootmyself before i sort this out lol.

BTW - my squeek goes after about 10 mins of driving
it only does it when its cold.

Let us know the outcome carl,i suppose a few of us would be interested to see what it us.

4th June 2010, 15:13

FFS

For the millionth time ive said it.

DRIVESHAFT INTERMEDIATE BEARING!!!!!!!

/thread

4th June 2010, 16:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordysport

FFS

For the millionth time ive said it.

DRIVESHAFT INTERMEDIATE BEARING!!!!!!!

/thread

I really beg to differ,well on my car anyway,my blokes already been under the car,and its either exhuast flange or gearbox mount,nothing to do with driveshaft.Anyway how hard is it to change the bearing,also folks if i am wrong,i will hold my hands up and apoligise.

4th June 2010, 16:53

Bald24
Russell
Carl

Its deffo Driveshaft intermediate bearing,

VTRsaz - tell me the sounds and when its happening should be able to diagnose the problem,
ie does it vary with Speed?
Does it vary with Revs?
Does it happen when stationary?
Does it happen when Hitting large bumps?
Type of sound?

EDIT: Carl mine initially did it only for 10 mins or so to start with then after about a week or so it did it constantly that was Driveshaft intermediate bearing

4th June 2010, 21:38

Ok my friends ... Let me paint you a little picture

I start my car (cold) and i dip the clutch and put it into First Gear, I press the accelerator and move off....(For example) Were moving at about 5 mph.. I can literally (at its worst) make it happen on request, Just by gently pressing and releasing the accelerator.

Its not like a sqeel or a knock. Its definately like a Metal Creak/Squeek/Clicking noise. Coming from Roughly the front centre ( underneath ) the car.

My pal Ollie today, Who owns his own garage and is mercedez benz qualified. Got a little bar out and wedged it between the flange and the rubber bit in front of it. He was showing me as he was doing it that what happens is when you press your accelerator the engine moves... Causing the Exhaust to flex (or so it should do he said).

Anyway, to cut a long story short when he gently pulled the bar towards him (making the exhaust move up and down) as it would if you was accelerating, Low and behold.... Creak.... creak... Creak....Click - That same sort of annoying sound that makes your dick shrink when you pull off !

He checked my drive shaft and he rekons the intermediate bearings are fine.

My final diagnostic was that hes 90% sure its the flange. What also leads him to believe this, is that apparently the springs in my flange have been done tight, So basically Ollie said that theres no give in the springs at all. He said usually the springs should be tight so that theres no Blowing ( obviously ) But at the same time you want there to be room for the spring to flex... In my case this isnt How it is. And the post which lawz made sounds pretty accurate actually.

Ollie is stripping the flange down for me next week... and hes going to check the gasket i think it is iirc. cause it looks shot to peices and also hes going to get the proper nuts for my flange.. Cause he rekons my flange hasnt even got the correct nuts on it.

I will let you know when i get it sorted next week, as to whether the Squeek comes back or not. Although if it does, by then my penis will be the size of a sultana. Cause its a horrible fucking noise ! But yeah ... in my case Flange it is

Gotta love a bitta flange !

edit - Jordy sport - It doesnt alter the noise with revs.... Bumps arent the cause of it, The engine flex is. It Doesnt vary with speed and yes, when stationary if i try and bounce the car in 1st gear with the handbreak on it will squeek...

5th June 2010, 02:58

I've got a rattley squek but only when I'm starting the car any ideas

6th June 2010, 14:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlvtr88

Ok my friends ... Let me paint you a little picture

I start my car (cold) and i dip the clutch and put it into First Gear, I press the accelerator and move off....(For example) Were moving at about 5 mph.. I can literally (at its worst) make it happen on request, Just by gently pressing and releasing the accelerator.

Its not like a sqeel or a knock. Its definately like a Metal Creak/Squeek/Clicking noise. Coming from Roughly the front centre ( underneath ) the car.

My pal Ollie today, Who owns his own garage and is mercedez benz qualified. Got a little bar out and wedged it between the flange and the rubber bit in front of it. He was showing me as he was doing it that what happens is when you press your accelerator the engine moves... Causing the Exhaust to flex (or so it should do he said).

Anyway, to cut a long story short when he gently pulled the bar towards him (making the exhaust move up and down) as it would if you was accelerating, Low and behold.... Creak.... creak... Creak....Click - That same sort of annoying sound that makes your dick shrink when you pull off !

He checked my drive shaft and he rekons the intermediate bearings are fine.

My final diagnostic was that hes 90% sure its the flange. What also leads him to believe this, is that apparently the springs in my flange have been done tight, So basically Ollie said that theres no give in the springs at all. He said usually the springs should be tight so that theres no Blowing ( obviously ) But at the same time you want there to be room for the spring to flex... In my case this isnt How it is. And the post which lawz made sounds pretty accurate actually.

Ollie is stripping the flange down for me next week... and hes going to check the gasket i think it is iirc. cause it looks shot to peices and also hes going to get the proper nuts for my flange.. Cause he rekons my flange hasnt even got the correct nuts on it.

I will let you know when i get it sorted next week, as to whether the Squeek comes back or not. Although if it does, by then my penis will be the size of a sultana. Cause its a horrible fucking noise ! But yeah ... in my case Flange it is

Gotta love a bitta flange !

edit - Jordy sport - It doesnt alter the noise with revs.... Bumps arent the cause of it, The engine flex is. It Doesnt vary with speed and yes, when stationary if i try and bounce the car in 1st gear with the handbreak on it will squeek...

Mine exactly the same as you describe it carl.Another good way to listen for it is put car first gear,foot on brake,and let the clutch out to the point that the car is shaking violently(labouring),just dont let your fooking foot off the brake,and shoot through the living room.

6th June 2010, 19:23

OK carl, see if that fixes it but i had exactly the same problem i could make it happen soo easily by just tap the throttle then lift off and it was a very annoying creaking/grinding. and only happened off throttle, it was the Intermediate bearing.
lets hope its only the flange but i have found this is a common fault with the saxo's
gd luck

6th June 2010, 23:01

ok mate.... ill defo, if the squeak remains. look into the shafts, but my mate is going to do it wednesday. i think hes going to put new nuts on the flange. slacken the tightness of the springs. that may give it more play. squeak free, hopefully....

6th June 2010, 23:02

My squeak is getting more and more frequent, and I just put handbrake on, and got biting point in gear 1 without any noise at all

7th June 2010, 10:54

the noise can come and go because once everything heats up it expands IIRC. There fore reducing play altogether... So you dont get the creaky noise... But when its cold, there is room for movement in the exhaust and also if the flange is crap ( As mine is ) then thats what will be making all the noise.

Having said that, as i say, wednesday if we do the jobs to my car, and the squeak remains, Then ill let you all know and i can then move onto something else... Shafts or monts or something. ( Even thought he checked them and they were fine)
. If the noise goes then weve hit the nail on the head, in my case.
My moneys on it being the flange.

7th June 2010, 11:16

be carefull though, as for the driveshaft intermediate bearing does exactly the same it vary's as it warms up. and also it vary's how long you use the car after the squeek starts.

7th June 2010, 20:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordysport

be carefull though, as for the driveshaft intermediate bearing does exactly the same it vary's as it warms up. and also it vary's how long you use the car after the squeek starts.

Ill keep watchful eye on it m8.