Grounding kits

5th June 2010, 00:04

Are they serious? is electronic interferance really that bad on your ECU for them to charge £40 for effectivly a bit of wire

Apparently adding one can improve idle, throttle response, start up times, fuel economy

http://uk.ebid.net/for-sale/citroen-...rom=googlebase

5th June 2010, 00:06

"reduced heater matrix/radiator core corrosion."

yes fitting a newer ground will definitely cause my radiator to corrode slower.. hmmmmmm
lmfao

5th June 2010, 00:10

LMFAO! robbing b******s

5th June 2010, 00:12

'Although' and i say this in the LARGEST of italics with inverted commas if your current grounds are rusted to fook, then these will of course make a tiny bit of difference, you will probably just notice a more stable voltage with less fluctuation. but thats like saying if your exhaust was blowing fitting a new one is going to make it work better.. of course it is!

5th June 2010, 00:15

Yeah true, but theyd have to be royally fooked for you to even notice a difference.
And to stop radiator corrosion aswell... +1

5th June 2010, 00:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oc2

Yeah true, but theyd have to be royally fooked for you to even notice a difference.
And to stop radiator corrosion aswell... +1

yeah because with electrics, things work or they dont... its only like signals being sent and received. can't believe they can even get away with suggesting it stops rad corrosion lol

5th June 2010, 08:41

Improving the earths does improve the way things work.
Plenty of evidence on the net to prove it. Though most is on american and jap cars.
The likes of blitz and hks supply them.

I produced one for my 306 and after fitment the ecu got far less random faults and the headlights were alot brighter

5th June 2010, 09:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lew_C

yeah because with electrics, things work or they dont... its only like signals being sent and received. can't believe they can even get away with suggesting it stops rad corrosion lol

whilst i am not saying the price of the grounding kit is good or bad --as i have not quality of the cable or connectors --could be gold plated (no thats not a joke).
I will say that your attitude to electrics -is totally wrong .
you can have a complete circuit ,but if the resistance ,caused by less than perfect connections ,is too high then all electronics will not function as designed and will cause all the problems they list .
easy test
take DVM and check your resistance of your power and earth s -if more than 2-3 ohms you have problems--finding where the problem is another story.
then of course testing the resistance with no load is not the same as testing it when you are trying to draw current through the circuit .
the simplest example would be .
take the thinest wire you can find make a circuit to a battery with it and measure --will show 12v and neglible resistance .
now try and run a starter motor or headlamp bulb from the same wiring --instant electric fire and motor will not turn --why because the resistance is to high when trying to draw large amount of current .

elctricity flows along the surface of the wire -not through the center ,thats why you use very highly stranded cable for amplifiers ----big current draw over a large distance --
so to flow more current you use more strands of wire.
for any elctrical geeks outhere this is the laymans version --i know there is more to it than i have said but this the basic version .

anyway you will see from the above that you can have a circuit ,but if there is not engough surface area contact ,then you will not get the correct results.
saxo /106 looms are poor by design on earths + major power supplies ,add 10 years and things start to go worng --
why use gold connectors ?
gold does not corrode and has very good conduction properties.
buy a cheap ecu = wiring loom and pinconnectors will be tinned --buy proper milatary spec connectors or an up market ecu and the connector pins are gold plated £2 a pin --this is wht miltayr spec conector plug = socket can over £100 for a 25 way unit.
then the actaul wire
std motor factor wire to pass 17 amps is over twice the dia of silver plated wire -- silver coated wire is £35 for 10 metres noraml £10for 50metres--If you were citreon which would you use and if you were bulding a REAL race car which one then ?
les rssitance means less heat and less power consumption ,also the loom is a lot thinner and lighter

5th June 2010, 09:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by axsaxoman

whilst i am not saying the price of the grounding kit is good or bad --as i have not quality of the cable or connectors --could be gold plated (no thats not a joke).
I will say that your attitude to electrics -is totally wrong .
you can have a complete circuit ,but if the resistance ,caused by less than perfect connections ,is too high then all electronics will not function as designed and will cause all the problems they list .
easy test
take DVM and check your resistance of your power and earth s -if more than 2-3 ohms you have problems--finding where the problem is another story.
then of course testing the resistance with no load is not the same as testing it when you are trying to draw current through the circuit .
the simplest example would be .
take the thinest wire you can find make a circuit to a battery with it and measure --will show 12v and neglible resistance .
now try and run a starter motor or headlamp bulb from the same wiring --instant electric fire and motor will not turn --why because the resistance is to high when trying to draw large amount of current .

elctricity flows along the surface of the wire -not through the center ,thats why you use very highly stranded cable for amplifiers ----big current draw over a large distance --
so to flow more current you use more strands of wire.
for any elctrical geeks outhere this is the laymans version --i know there is more to it than i have said but this the basic version .

anyway you will see from the above that you can have a circuit ,but if there is not engough surface area contact ,then you will not get the correct results.
saxo /106 looms are poor by design on earths + major power supplies ,add 10 years and things start to go worng --
why use gold connectors ?
gold does not corrode and has very good conduction properties.
buy a cheap ecu = wiring loom and pinconnectors will be tinned --buy proper milatary spec connectors or an up market ecu and the connector pins are gold plated £2 a pin --this is wht miltayr spec conector plug = socket can over £100 for a 25 way unit.
then the actaul wire
std motor factor wire to pass 17 amps is over twice the dia of silver plated wire -- silver coated wire is £35 for 10 metres noraml £10for 50metres--If you were citreon which would you use and if you were bulding a REAL race car which one then ?
les rssitance means less heat and less power consumption ,also the loom is a lot thinner and lighter

I'm not debating saxo earths will be destroyed and rusty by now, as most of mine are and Obviously Citroen skimped on parts cost due to making the car as cheap as possible with no intention of looking what the car will be like x amount of years down the line.

I understand the use of gold connectors, and I understand what you are saying, however I think the price of that kit is atrocious and also its not those claims that I am shunning, As I said above if the earths are in terrible condition then some difference might be noticed however there probably wouldn't be a great deal of improvement if everything was working properly on the car electrically to begin with.

What baffled me the most was that they claimed it stopped radiator corrosion?!

And for the record, I'm an auto electrician lol