Rate My VTR acceleration

5th June 2010, 04:44

little vid of the VTR accelerating, cant really count the seconds as i messed up the start majorly so just ignore that lol

anyway what do you think of it's acceleration ?

Vid : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlvmWdOYfYA

5th June 2010, 06:38

nice, your car rattles more then mine

, im gonna take all the plastic trim off the boot

cus its starting to really get to me lol , acceleration seems standard to be honest, counted about 9.5 seconds allowing the bad start

, have you had your car mapped after the cam was fitted?

5th June 2010, 09:52

all i a honestly going to say is im glad i got 16v as i didnt think the vtr revved that slowly

5th June 2010, 09:56

looks about 8-9 seconds to me ish. Pretty quick but as above did seem to not rev very freely..

5th June 2010, 10:47

Forgot how long the VTR box is lol Get a shorter gearbox on there then you will see a nice improvement...

5th June 2010, 11:38

Wow, didn't realise vtr's were actually that slow.

5th June 2010, 11:51

same, mine felt well faster than that

5th June 2010, 12:11

bugger for me that feels pretty quick and it does rev freely to me ... well compaired to my mates standard one,

Its not been mapped since the cam but has uprated injectors and fuel pump, also strait through exhaust, custom air intake, the newman cam ported and polished throttle body and head, suppersprint 4-2-1..... i'l make a different video maybe i did somthing wrong lol

5th June 2010, 12:19

Like I said, consider a shorter gear box to make the most of the cams and definantly think about mapping them too

5th June 2010, 12:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maxamus

Like I said, consider a shorter gear box to make the most of the cams and definantly think about mapping them too

I've looked into getting them mapped but i've been told it's pointless, the larger injectors that i've fitted compensate for the lack of the map, the only thing i've bin told to do would get the rev limiter upped a bit to get the full power range of the cams.

I reckon the gearbox is a good idea though but dammit that's gna kill my already not so good fuel consumption.....

it anoys me cuz to me it seems dammned fast, and i've got a mate who owns a VTS who's driven it and he told me it was quick

maybe he was taking the piss lol

5th June 2010, 12:32

If you want the best from the car --then fit a stand alone ,then it can be maped to suit mods you have now and any you do in the future and will give best economy as well

5th June 2010, 12:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by axsaxoman

If you want the best from the car --then fit a stand alone ,then it can be maped to suit mods you have now and any you do in the future and will give best economy as well

Which standalone would you recomend and what would be the cost ?

( thinking of going 16v + turbo later ) so .....

I dunno i really thaught my VTR faired well for power .... makes me realise that all my mates 16v things are slow as fook then .... ( mostly french shit btw )
but because it has a 16v badge they think its quick as fook.

i'm some what disapointed now lmfao

5th June 2010, 12:55

it seems to take forever!

5th June 2010, 13:46

Seems to be about 9 seconds.

5th June 2010, 14:16

That was depressing, you lot are saying that was slow, but I watched that thinking my 1.1 is pathetic

5th June 2010, 14:34

u changed into 3rd for 60mph..both vtr's ive had have done 60 in 2nd

5th June 2010, 14:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by deans2k8

u changed into 3rd for 60mph..both vtr's ive had have done 60 in 2nd

Yeah, I was thinking that.

5th June 2010, 15:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by deans2k8

u changed into 3rd for 60mph..both vtr's ive had have done 60 in 2nd

Think he just didnt hold it out till limiter

think its 59mph (SPEEDO) on the limter in second

5th June 2010, 15:45

mate i only have a 1.1... looking at that makes me wanna cry i would even be at 40 in that time! :'(...

but,... well nice though!

5th June 2010, 15:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by bald24

That was depressing, you lot are saying that was slow, but I watched that thinking my 1.1 is pathetic

mate i know how you feel!

5th June 2010, 16:10

A VTR cannot do 60 in second, /Thread.

For all the mods you have im surprised, pretty poor tbh, sorry pal.

5th June 2010, 16:12

hold the gears longer...

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtrlogan

Think he just didnt hold it out till limiter

think its 59mph (SPEEDO) on the limter in second

both my vtrs did over 60. they blip down for that reason iirc

5th June 2010, 16:19

Quote:

both my vtrs did over 60. they blip down for that reason iirc

Not in second

5th June 2010, 16:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by makaveli144

Not in second

i'm sure they do
i'll get a video up tomorrow.
if not... then i stand corrected

5th June 2010, 16:23

Quote:

i'm sure they do
i'll get a video up tomorrow.
if not... then i stand corrected

According to the clock,real world speed they do not.

5th June 2010, 16:25

here is a little comparison video to my old VTR

whats with the dials only going to 120mph??

edit - that was with a VTR box on, changed to a VTS box and boy was it better!!

5th June 2010, 16:27

Quote:

whats with the dials only going to 120mph??

depends on what MK you have.

Yours also seems to rev more freely.

5th June 2010, 16:57

got you

5th June 2010, 17:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by makaveli144

depends on what MK you have.

Yours also seems to rev more freely.

well those are obv mk2 dials, my mk1 went up to 140 aswell...

tbh they look like lower model dials, say a furio or somthing??

defo doesnt pick up speed well for a VTR, mine only had a 4-1, race pipe, SS back box and an open cone.

5th June 2010, 17:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saxo_89

well those are obv mk2 dials, my mk1 went up to 140 aswell...

tbh they look like lower model dials, say a furio or somthing??

defo doesnt pick up speed well for a VTR, mine only had a 4-1, race pipe, SS back box and an open cone.

My VTR has 120mph dials. Some do.

5th June 2010, 19:35

This is how you want it

my old vtr

5th June 2010, 19:49

seemed good mate nice and smooth. maybe abit of short shifting lol

5th June 2010, 20:34

my vtr did do 60mph in second but the diff bearings went, got a replacement box from citroen for a vtr and now it does about 55 lol

, well annoying!

6th June 2010, 00:27

guys i need to do this again realised me holding the camera ment i couldnt see the revs, oh and i dont think i had my foot full on the floor, i know it's stupid but thinking about it i can;t remember much of doing it. was on an old airfierld at 2 in the morning so yh lol.

anyway i'l post another vid up tomorrow or somthing in daylight and i'l try and do somthing better, need to sort my throttle body out too its not opening fully lol.

6th June 2010, 00:44

tbh mate thats seriously poor imo, my vtr would have kicked thats ass, with a massive soundsystem in the back and 5 ppl in, not to be funny but tat not a quk vtr

6th June 2010, 01:05

VTR for the lose

thought they were quicker than that

6th June 2010, 01:15

That looked very very poor imo. Also think you need to learn how to use the clutch and change gear properly.

Of course everyone thinks their vtr is faster than other vtrs and vts faster than other vts. I dont know why tbh..

6th June 2010, 01:17

i dont...but a said mine would hav kicked that ones ass!! lol, doesnt seem to rev wel at all, seems really restricted

6th June 2010, 01:19

If i can fix mine and get it on the road tomorrow il take a video for the sake of it.

6th June 2010, 01:20

as above, with a bit of luck my vtr lump WILL start in the quicky tommorow, if so i sall post a vid

6th June 2010, 01:32

http://s268.photobucket.com/albums/j...t=MOV01661.flv

that's a vid of my cammed 16v for comparison mate, running on stock mani and unmapped

6th June 2010, 02:04

Who did the work on your car fella? Uprated fuel pump, injectors and headwork not needed. Port and polish tb does nothing and your "custom air filter" could well be costing you power. You will need an ecu re-calibration because its not just a case of adding more fuel.

6th June 2010, 02:14

the air filter is basicly relocated pippercross filter, the cams etc was done before i baught it i added the injectors and fuel pump as advised by a mate of mine that runs a 450hp 205 gti Turbo. anyway

before anyone says about my shitty gear changes in that vid, i know i messed up seriously with them in the vid.

And car makes a wooshing nooise wen coming down from high revs wonder if i got a air leak somwhere.....

6th June 2010, 02:17

Yeh the changes would slow it down obv lol

Injectors and pump wont make any difference. The standard injectors wont be injecting the maximum amount of fuel they can anyway, so adding the other injectors wont make any difference and will still spit the same amount of fuel as before in.

Tbh i guess its just a standard VTR apart form your filter.

6th June 2010, 02:20

WOW, onlyread the title? thi allegedly is cammed? lol piss poor mate, i think youve been bumped tbh

6th June 2010, 02:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mallyauto86

i added the injectors and fuel pump as advised by a mate of mine that runs a 450hp 205 gti Turbo.

I assumed you friend has worked out the BSFC to confirm that your injectors were running at dangerous limits? Obviously you'll have had it on the rollers to check afr's under load etc, have you got the graph it may highlight the problem with the lack of speed?

6th June 2010, 02:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by db_sax

so adding the other injectors wont make any difference and will still spit the same amount of fuel as before in.

They will be letting more fuel through. The ecu wont know they have been changed so will still open them the same amount but being bigger will let more through.

6th June 2010, 02:32

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Originally Posted by Saaamon

They will be letting more fuel through. The ecu wont know they have been changed so will still open them the same amount but being bigger will let more through.

not necessarily- edited as youd edited as i posted!!!!!! totally dependant on the size of injector you upgrade to, most wont make any diff, you'd have to step up alot to see a significant differance

6th June 2010, 02:42

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Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

not necessarily- edited as youd edited as i posted!!!!!! totally dependant on the size of injector you upgrade to, most wont make any diff, you'd have to step up alot to see a significant differance

Agreed, but what it boils down to for me is people changing parts that they have no idea about and then not even bothering to get it checked on the rollers. By the sounds of it the op doesn't even know for sure what cam he has, if any.

6th June 2010, 02:44

Cheers guys.

Also Mally, this post taken from a thread you commented in:

Quote:

Originally Posted by raunchz

vts injectors are 225cc@3bar ish - so vtr injectors I'd guess were easily sub 200cc@3 Bar.

Injectors just supply fuel to the engine, so if your car needs x amount of fuel, fitting bigger injectors still means the car needs x amount of fuel.

The only benefit from bigger injectors is that when you need them to flow say 600cc to keep a 13:1 afr, then having 400cc injectors means you'll be maxing them out well before max power, causing you to need larger ones.

I wish people would just learn about how engines work and then you'd know that JUST by fitting bigger injectors won't give you more power unless you are running your oem injectors at a stupid duty cycle at the top end of your revs.

So as Salmon said could do with gettin it checked out before jus shovin larger injectors in.

6th June 2010, 02:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by db_sax

Cheers guys.

Also Mally, this post taken from a thread you commented in:

So as Salmon said could do with gettin it checked out before jus shovin larger injectors in.

i am going to.

6th June 2010, 02:56

But sayin that, surley the lambda would keep things in check and adjust the fuel bein injected?

6th June 2010, 03:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saaamon

Agreed, but what it boils down to for me is people changing parts that they have no idea about and then not even bothering to get it checked on the rollers. By the sounds of it the op doesn't even know for sure what cam he has, if any.

yes i do ACTUALLY before you start saying that i have the reciept for it from maniac motors and a few guys on here SAW THE CAR getting them fitted there.

From what i made out its a newman cam. ph1 or ph2 i think.

6th June 2010, 03:13

It will only trim it.

6th June 2010, 03:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saaamon

It will only trim it.

what would you call trim it ?

6th June 2010, 03:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mallyauto86

yes i do ACTUALLY before you start saying that i have the reciept for it from maniac motors and a few guys on here SAW THE CAR getting them fitted there.

From what i made out its a newman cam. ph1 or ph2 i think.

Sorry i assumed you bought the car with cam in it. Anyway you need to get the car set up and swap your injectors back to standard. OE ones will still have plenty of headroom left with a fastroad cam. Can you get up a picture of your modded air filter? Perharps the pipe is too long maybe its got to many turns in it, if you've moved it down the bottom near the fog light.

You may already know, but the problem with using injectors that are too big is that it causes bore wash due to over-fuelling, the next problem is that the un-burnt fuel mixes with the oil in the sump this in turn changes the properties of the oil, watering it down you could say. This now contaminted oil wont stick to the surfaces in the way it should so you end up with components wearing far quicker, i.e shell bearings etc. Although it does cause other problems.

6th June 2010, 03:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mallyauto86

what would you call trim it ?

The lamba sensor is only able to adjust the fuelling a small amount, this is why a re-map is needed so the ecu knows that X has been changed and has a new set of values to work from ensuring it all runs as it should.

6th June 2010, 10:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saaamon

Can you get up a picture of your modded air filter? Perharps the pipe is too long maybe its got to many turns in it, if you've moved it down the bottom near the fog light.

From Mally's progress thread.

6th June 2010, 10:23

Whoever put that air filter on, and thought it would increase your performance, needs shooting in the face.

6th June 2010, 11:43

does the length of the pipe matter with an air filter?
i always thought you needed a volume of air already filtered, or is the shorter the better?

6th June 2010, 11:47

im glad mine is 16v.. and i would of left it in 2nd for longer..

6th June 2010, 11:54

:L you lot make me feel pathetic going around in a furio lol 60 in 2nd gear???? dats mad :L mine would rattle apart. anyone know how much it is to get a new cam and fitted? or would a remap alone be enough?

6th June 2010, 13:06

That intake pipe is a bit messy lol
The more straight the pipe is, the better, the air will be very turbulent with that pipe, the general idea is small lengths of pipe, with few bends and where needed you use a smooth 90 or 45, that has far too many bends in a little straight.

6th June 2010, 15:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Alex-

That intake pipe is a bit messy lol
The more straight the pipe is, the better, the air will be very turbulent with that pipe, the general idea is small lengths of pipe, with few bends and where needed you use a smooth 90 or 45, that has far too many bends in a little straight.

Its also right next to the manifold lol.

6th June 2010, 15:26

yes i know the filter pipe isnt strait but that pipe is a turbo pipe off a skyline so not the best thing really. it is a hell of allot better than the filter being strait on the throttle body. but yes i agree it does need a strait pipe sorting out and moving again.

6th June 2010, 15:34

hey not being funny but somone counted 9 seconds right to 0 - 60 .... according to another thread the vTR : 0 to 100Km/h 11.4 seconds Vts : 8.7 seconds

SO doesnt that mean it's rather GOOD ? even if it's 10 seconds its 1.4 seconds quicker than standard ?

i'l make another vid today

7th June 2010, 19:27

It looks a bit slow when you watch it, but my VTR is now back to completely standard and the speedo says roughly 63 mph in 2nd gear which is about 58/59mph (have to rip the gatso snooper off the motorbike and test it, surprisingly 3 year in the rain, sun, snow etc and that thing still work and tells me to fasten my seatbelt rofl)

7th June 2010, 19:34

I bet your clutch loves you.No offence but i forgot how slow 8 valves were.So glad i upgraded.

7th June 2010, 19:35

I reakon your vtr isnt too bad mate. I seen this thread last night and i thought i would give it ago in mine hahahah.
My 1.4 does bang on 60mph on the tom tom and shows 65mph on speedo when hitting limiter in second gear. im sure if you do some later gear shifts near the limiter you will get a better time.

7th June 2010, 20:06

YouTube seems to be stuck in slow motion or something!?

7th June 2010, 21:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxokitney

I bet your clutch loves you.No offence but i forgot how slow 8 valves were.So glad i upgraded.

everyone says that, lol but If i could afford an M3 e36 id be saying the same thing, as drove one at work and i just scream everytime i sit in it "i wannntt yoouu" , kinda like when i first drove my VTR at the showroom and thought "omg, its a go kart - must buy"

Maby one day.

7th June 2010, 21:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saaamon

It will only trim it.

std ecu will only trim when in closed loop control ,so after around 4k + full throttle there will be no triming at all--just the base map

7th June 2010, 21:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stissy

does the length of the pipe matter with an air filter?
i always thought you needed a volume of air already filtered, or is the shorter the better?

technically --yes pipe dia = length do matter and at the end of the tuned length there should be a bell mouth shape --then you can go as long as you like providing it is large enough --having too large a pipe in the tuned length will degrade powwr as gas speed will not be high enough to give the best gas speed/volume.
inreality we are talking about very small amounts of power on a very mildly tuned engine .
a 55-60mm pipe from t/body to middle of head is the correct length ,then bell mouth for a vts 16v with road spec cams --never done any testing with an 8v

7th June 2010, 21:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by axsaxoman

std ecu will only trim when in closed loop control ,so after around 4k + full throttle there will be no triming at all--just the base map

I thought that was the case - was trying to tell someone about this but couldn't remember where if read it

7th June 2010, 21:48

Im hoping this was on a private track or a rolling road!

If not im calling 999 like now...

7th June 2010, 22:37

heres a video of my vts for comparison.Raceland mani,sportex full system and 1.1 box,

sorry for the poor quality but you get the idea

0-60mph in 6secs according to the vid..

7th June 2010, 22:50

thats impressives, your 1.1 box make much of a diffence?

7th June 2010, 22:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmythechef

thats impressives, your 1.1 box make much of a diffence?

Yes! it hardly looses any revs between gears.Dont last long tho.

7th June 2010, 22:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by tryner

I reakon your vtr isnt too bad mate. I seen this thread last night and i thought i would give it ago in mine hahahah.
My 1.4 does bang on 60mph on the tom tom and shows 65mph on speedo when hitting limiter in second gear. im sure if you do some later gear shifts near the limiter you will get a better time.

i agree with this guy, i get 65mph (speedo) on mine, and i have de-cat, straight zorst, port and polish and resited valves last month, and i can honestly say, i cant see a difference between my furio and your vtr

7th June 2010, 22:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxokitney

Yes! it hardly looses any revs between gears.Dont last long tho.

im not sure if i have one tbh, i got a furio, and i know with furios, they just threw what ever they had in the factory on them, might see you in a south wales meet one day

8th June 2010, 10:39

VTRs don't do 60 in second, this has been discussed countless times. That intakell heatsoak terrably.

I voted poor btw.

8th June 2010, 10:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

VTRs don't do 60 in second, this has been discussed countless times. That intakell heatsoak terrably.

I voted poor btw.

mines only a 1.4 8v and it says im doin 65mph in second and 60 on the tom tom......... explain please.. is the sat nav wrong????

8th June 2010, 10:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by tryner

mines only a 1.4 8v and it says im doin 65mph in second and 60 on the tom tom......... explain please.. is the sat nav wrong????

Wrong !!!

There is no gearbox you could bung on a furio to get 60 out of second gear.

You need the higher revs in which the 16v uses, with a furio the cut off is 5500RPM theres nothing after that so it won't go any quicker vts goes up to 7250RPM with the gearbox suited to the car it gives a longer ratio in 1st and 2nd along with the vts alloys the vts can then make 60 in second gear.

If you need more evidence i will actually start telling you the gearbox ratios and what they can do.

8th June 2010, 10:59

When i done it in my standard VTR i got 60 in 3rd in about 8.5 secs.

8th June 2010, 11:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by baker556

Wrong !!!

There is no gearbox you could bung on a furio to get 60 out of second gear.

You need the higher revs in which the 16v uses, with a furio the cut off is 5500RPM theres nothing after that so it won't go any quicker vts goes up to 7250RPM with the gearbox suited to the car it gives a longer ratio in 1st and 2nd along with the vts alloys the vts can then make 60 in second gear.

If you need more evidence i will actually start telling you the gearbox ratios and what they can do.

Come and test drive it. ive no reason to lie. im not saying its fast cause its not and my corsa redtop kills it but it does do 60mph in 2nd just has it hits the limiter!!!!! Could the engine of had alot of work done onnit?? i dont know ive only had it 2 weeks. pipercross filter, decat straight thru stainless 3" i can tell you the rest of the top speeds of each gear if you like. I just thought i would test it out yesterday and i wrote em all done

:w all:

8th June 2010, 16:52

Well looking at this bud no offence but i think all that engine work hasn't done anything

.

My 02 plate VTR can hit 60 mph in 2nd gear and go up to 85 in 3rd. I've timed my 0-60 runs and with a good start can get around 7.9seconds, my sax is standard apart from a Raceland Induction kit with green filter and a cat-back exhaust system.

Tom

8th June 2010, 16:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by baker556

Wrong !!!

There is no gearbox you could bung on a furio to get 60 out of second gear.

You need the higher revs in which the 16v uses, with a furio the cut off is 5500RPM theres nothing after that so it won't go any quicker vts goes up to 7250RPM with the gearbox suited to the car it gives a longer ratio in 1st and 2nd along with the vts alloys the vts can then make 60 in second gear.

If you need more evidence i will actually start telling you the gearbox ratios and what they can do.

furios dont cut off at 5500RPM, its around 6250RPM

8th June 2010, 17:04

This is bollox.I used to have a diesel box on my vtr and it would do over 60 in 2nd and just shy of a ton in 3rd.

8th June 2010, 17:20

You boys need some real "nanna" acceleration in your lives

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9iRAbhBMdg

Sorry dont know how to set up a video link

8th June 2010, 17:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxokitney

This is bollox.I used to have a diesel box on my vtr and it would do over 60 in 2nd and just shy of a ton in 3rd.

Dont think he knows what hes on with mate! Loads of people on here say vtr's dont even do 60 in second. They just havent a clue. And mine does around same has your vtr mate its just topping 98mph in 3rd on the limiter

8th June 2010, 17:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by M1TTJ

You boys need some real "nanna" acceleration in your lives

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9iRAbhBMdg

Sorry dont know how to set up a video link

whats nanna? that vid looked like it was ripped from a boot legged fast and furiO

8th June 2010, 17:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxokitney

This is bollox.I used to have a diesel box on my vtr and it would do over 60 in 2nd and just shy of a ton in 3rd.

unless using bigger wheels or a higher rev limiter than standard i will have to call you a liar im afriad.

you would have been doing 58.2 mph. speedo was out buddy.

8th June 2010, 17:29

Yellow Gti

Was pretty rapid back in the day but does anyone know who's it was?

8th June 2010, 17:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by tryner

Dont think he knows what hes on with mate! Loads of people on here say vtr's dont even do 60 in second. They just havent a clue. And mine does around same has your vtr mate its just topping 98mph in 3rd on the limiter

it will do 89 on a diesel box and vtr box.

use this

http://www.boosttown.com/gearbox_dif...calculator.php

and this http://www.106owners.co.uk/forums/th...-Gearbox-Guide to find the ratios of the box your are using.

gear ratios do not lie

8th June 2010, 17:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by M1TTJ

Yellow Gti

Was pretty rapid back in the day but does anyone know who's it was?

i rember it briefly a charged and nitrous gti was an animal form peoples accounts.

what happend to it mitt.

8th June 2010, 17:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by M1TTJ

You boys need some real "nanna" acceleration in your lives

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9iRAbhBMdg

Sorry dont know how to set up a video link

thats shit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4mgEdncR44

8th June 2010, 17:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by db_sax

thats shit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4mgEdncR44

thats foooookin fast

8th June 2010, 17:49

turkish drag car. cant put the power down without full slicks so id rather have the charged nana tbh

8th June 2010, 17:55

would still have it

http://www.youtube.com/user/vtspower...52/5sGidD3ihCI

8th June 2010, 18:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by db_sax

would still have it

http://www.youtube.com/user/vtspower...52/5sGidD3ihCI

oh yeah me too haha

8th June 2010, 18:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

VTRs don't do 60 in second, this has been discussed countless times. That intakell heatsoak terrably.

I voted poor btw.

I have a mk2 98bhp vtr and I can do 65 in second which in reality is probably 60. People who say VTRs don't do 60 in second are wrong tbh or they are just shite drivers.

8th June 2010, 18:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

VTRs don't do 60 in second, this has been discussed countless times. That intakell heatsoak terrably.

I voted poor btw.

my vtr must be a compulsive liar then. Invite to my house if u wanna see it

8th June 2010, 18:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlosVT

I have a mk2 98bhp vtr and I can do 65 in second which in reality is probably 60. People who say VTRs don't do 60 in second are wrong tbh or they are just shite drivers.

Its nothing to do with the driver what speed you can do in a certain gear, Mr Bean managed to get 26mph in 2nd irc and that was sitting on a sofa on top of his mini using a broomstick to push the accelarator.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princey_vts

my vtr must be a compulsive liar then. Invite to my house if u wanna see it

They do lie, becouse the clocks aint accurate

8th June 2010, 18:10

Shouldn't be too difficult to video? Sat Nav and a stop watch side by side with a friend holding a mini-cam?

The calibration on the speedo is approx 10% over but I get what looks like 65 in my VTR changing from 2nd to 3rd so it's probably very possible to hit a 'true 60' in 2nd with a few mods...so from the film I would say that the performance was below par based on the indicated speed from 2nd to 3rd which looked about 50-55 but the speedo was filmed at an angle and may be over calibrated so it's pretty inconclusive imo...

8th June 2010, 18:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by db_sax

Its nothing to do with the driver what speed you can do in a certain gear, Mr Bean managed to get 26mph in 2nd irc and that was sitting on a sofa on top of his mini using a broomstick to push the accelarator.

It is to do with the driver, watch the video he could of got 60 in second but he changed to 3rd gear. Some people dont use each gear to its full ability hence why they get a shit 0-60 time.

8th June 2010, 18:11

I feel like crying when i see stop watch friend and video on phone in one sentence.

8th June 2010, 18:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlosVT

It is to do with the driver, watch the video he could of got 60 in second but he changed to 3rd gear. Some people dont use each gear to its full ability hence why they get a shit 0-60 time.

Any driver can take the revs abit further, you just hold your foot down abit longer, and change gear later. Its not a talent or skill of the driver.

Im not gona lie, my pet pigeon was changing gear for me today as i happended to put the clutch down...hes a mint driver, always knows where hes going and races other pigeons.

8th June 2010, 18:15

Timed it at 9.07 Average!

8th June 2010, 18:16

right guys use this linkhttp://www.boosttown.com/gearbox_dif...calculator.php

a vtr final drive is 3.765 and second gear is 1.95 iirc
go fucking nuts and when you get the 2nd gear kph speed to 96.57 that when its doing 60mph oh yeah the standard rev limit is 6250.

im fucking bored of the argument.

8th June 2010, 18:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by db_sax

Any driver can take the revs abit further, you just hold your foot down abit longer, and change gear later. Its not a talent or skill of the driver.

Im not gona lie, my pet pigeon was changing gear for me today as i happended to put the clutch down...hes a mint driver, always knows where hes going and races other pigeons.

You'd be surprised how many people are so thick that they cant even do that and then come on a forum and say bla bla bla it can not do 60 in second.

8th June 2010, 18:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlosVT

You'd be surprised how many people are so thick that they cant even do that and then come on a forum and say bla bla bla it can not do 60 in second.

it cant do 60 in 2nd.

8th June 2010, 18:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by webby

it cant do 60 in 2nd.

my sat nav must be wrong then! speedo says 65 and tom tom says bang on 60 my redtop corsa does 65 tho lol

8th June 2010, 18:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by webby

it cant do 60 in 2nd.

I'd be more than happy for you to come round and drive my car and be proven wrong

I wont bother arguing on a forum, mine does do 60 in second, 65 on the clock, I dont know what the previous owner done to it performance wise or whatever, not interested either but it does do 60 in second.

8th June 2010, 18:24

WOW this debate comes back from the dark ages when i joined this site. The saxo, any standard saxo cant do 60 in 2nd as its rev limited to 58 or 59mph.

8th June 2010, 18:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by tryner

my sat nav must be wrong then! speedo says 65 and tom tom says bang on 60 my redtop corsa does 65 tho lol

My satnav thought i was in poland the other day. But i thought i was in england. Obviously i was wrong and actually in poland though.

8th June 2010, 18:26

db_sax trying to be funny = epic fail.

8th June 2010, 18:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlosVT

I'd be more than happy for you to come round and drive my car and be proven wrong

I wont bother arguing on a forum, mine does do 60 in second, 65 on the clock, I dont know what the previous owner done to it performance wise or whatever, not interested either but it does do 60 in second.

He could have 300bhp it still wont do 60 in second.

Im going to go and cry facing the corner of my room now.

8th June 2010, 18:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlosVT

It is to do with the driver, watch the video he could of got 60 in second but he changed to 3rd gear. Some people dont use each gear to its full ability hence why they get a shit 0-60 time.

Yeh spot on, you got to change up a nano second before it hits the limiter, easy to do if you practice hitting the limiter and keep a close eye on where it kicks in on the rev counter, as previously mentioned it looks and feels possible to hit 60 in second in a VTR due to the over calibrated speedo and the gearing but I would say it's just a few MPH under...so a few mods should see you hit a 'true' 60 in 2nd.

8th June 2010, 18:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlosVT

db_sax trying to be funny = epic fail.

Its called sarcasm. You wont belive the facts so putting it in an over exagerated way like above should have made the point more easy to understand. Obviously not though and you just throught i was trying to be funny.

I dnno why i came back to this forum.

8th June 2010, 18:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by tryner

my sat nav must be wrong then! speedo says 65 and tom tom says bang on 60 my redtop corsa does 65 tho lol

All speedos are set lower than the actual speed, your sat nav is right!

8th June 2010, 18:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlosVT

I'd be more than happy for you to come round and drive my car and be proven wrong

I wont bother arguing on a forum, mine does do 60 in second, 65 on the clock, I dont know what the previous owner done to it performance wise or whatever, not interested either but it does do 60 in second.

you are a grade plonker go on that website i linked put in the details i gave and come back and admit you are wrong.

how do you know your speedo is 5mph out? i take it that's a guess.

and to add it doesnt matter it your car has 200hp or 900000000000hp.
the gearing is set it does not change if you have a 6250 rev limit you cannot do 60 in 2nd end of.

8th June 2010, 18:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by peebee

All speedos are set lower than the actual speed, your sat nav is right!

yeah i thought the sat nav would be accurate.... well it should be, cost me over 400quid!

8th June 2010, 18:34

Says 65mph on clock and 62 on sat nav which I guess must be 60 in reality. Ok whatever then mate I wont argue with you on a forum

8th June 2010, 18:36

nothing to argue about you are wrong.

8th June 2010, 18:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by webby

nothing to argue about you are wrong.

: homme:

8th June 2010, 18:48

Read db_sax post on another thread ages ago:

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...ighlight=60mph

'On a furio gearbox:

185/55 R14 tyres with 6250rpm rev limit youll get 55.7mph
195/45 R15 tyres with 6250rpm rev limit youll get 55.5mph

195/45 R15 tyres with 7250rpm rev limit youll get 64.4mph

So yes you will get 60 in second if you have a vts with 15" rims. Or a vtr with raised limiter.'

Db_sax you seem to chat shit on different threads, on one thread you say it can do 60 in second on another you say no matter what you can do it.

8th June 2010, 18:49

8th June 2010, 18:50

i thought this discusion purely in regards to a vtr i'm fully aware of how fast a vts will do in each gear.

8th June 2010, 18:52

He said a VTR can do it with a raised limiter. How do you know my limiter isnt raised?

Edit: you said no matter if you have 400bhp you wont do 60 in second. Who said anything about bhp? If the rev limiter is raised and you have vts gearbox, 60 in easily achieveable in 2nd

8th June 2010, 19:01

because you have a link to your pg thread in your sig and im sure somebody like yourself who says about being able to do 60 in second would be screaming about a higher rev limter saying somthing similar to "its like v-tec now"

at no point have i mentioned a higher rev limit in regards to me saying 60 is not possible as i know it is with a higher one.

8th June 2010, 19:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by webby

unless using bigger wheels or a higher rev limiter than standard i will have to call you a liar im afriad.

you would have been doing 58.2 mph. speedo was out buddy.

well.i had 15" compos so that was probably the reason.

8th June 2010, 19:05

Nah mate, your just saying im wrong and stuff when you dont know the history of my car or anything, I dont even know the history of it and nowhere on my thread I go on about my car doing 60 in second and calling it a vtec I'm not an idiot. All I'm saying is my VTR does do 60 in second and I believe the limiter must have been raised because it revs to something like 6600rpm, I didnt even know the limit was 6250 but if it is then the rev limit must have been raised by a previous owner or something.

8th June 2010, 20:38

Is this a MK1 because the dials on my VTR are different and lol double clutching

8th June 2010, 20:58

Who cares if they do or dont do 60 in 2nd, its still got 8 valves

8th June 2010, 21:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saaamon

Who cares if they do or dont do 60 in 2nd, its still got 8 valves

Indeed, I want 16 valves when I turn 19

8th June 2010, 21:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by webby

you are a grade plonker go on that website i linked put in the details i gave and come back and admit you are wrong.

how do you know your speedo is 5mph out? i take it that's a guess.

and to add it doesnt matter it your car has 200hp or 900000000000hp.
the gearing is set it does not change if you have a 6250 rev limit you cannot do 60 in 2nd end of.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlosVT

Read db_sax post on another thread ages ago:

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...ighlight=60mph

'On a furio gearbox:

185/55 R14 tyres with 6250rpm rev limit youll get 55.7mph
195/45 R15 tyres with 6250rpm rev limit youll get 55.5mph

195/45 R15 tyres with 7250rpm rev limit youll get 64.4mph

So yes you will get 60 in second if you have a vts with 15" rims. Or a vtr with raised limiter.'

Db_sax you seem to chat shit on different threads, on one thread you say it can do 60 in second on another you say no matter what you can do it.

I int chatting shit, thats for a VTS with the 7250 rev limi ad 15" rims. This thread is about a VTR and your all arguing about a VTR, so im still correct lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by webby

i thought this discusion purely in regards to a vtr i'm fully aware of how fast a vts will do in each gear.

+1 makes sense seeing the op is a vtr and the poeple concerned of their 60 in 2nd are vtr owners.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlosVT

I'd be more than happy for you to come round and drive my car and be proven wrong

I wont bother arguing on a forum, mine does do 60 in second, 65 on the clock, I dont know what the previous owner done to it performance wise or whatever, not interested either but it does do 60 in second.

+

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlosVT

Edit: you said no matter if you have 400bhp you wont do 60 in second. Who said anything about bhp? If the rev limiter is raised and you have vts gearbox, 60 in easily achieveable in 2nd

= an assumption yout thought performance of the engine changes mph at rpm in certain gears etc.

8th June 2010, 21:40

Lots of VTR owners on here with micropenis's.

8th June 2010, 21:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saaamon

Lots of VTR owners on here with micropenis's.

Im a vtr owner

8th June 2010, 21:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by db_sax

Im a vtr owner

I'm sorry to hear that lol

8th June 2010, 22:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saaamon

I'm sorry to here that lol

dont matter if uve got 8v or 16v. This site is for saxo owners. Ive got a car that will leave you and put your

to shame

8th June 2010, 22:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by tryner

dont matter if uve got 8v or 16v. This site is for saxo owners. Ive got a car that will leave you and put your

to shame

a 1.4?

8th June 2010, 22:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by db_sax

a 1.4?

no lol thats just my little run around. Ive got a old corsa redtop turbo and a clio 182

8th June 2010, 22:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by tryner

no lol thats just my little run around. Ive got a old corsa redtop turbo and a clio 182

You sound like such a chav..Its a LET mate.

8th June 2010, 22:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxokitney

You sound like such a chav..Its a LET mate.

im no chav hahahaha some people dont know what a LET is. They probs think it is a house to let there that stupid

8th June 2010, 22:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxokitney

You sound like such a chav..Its a LET mate.

i didnt know chav's could even afford to insure these types of cars....

8th June 2010, 22:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by jstroudy

i didnt know chav's could even afford to insure these types of cars....

No they couldnt

im nearly 30 with a family im definetly no chav

8th June 2010, 22:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by tryner

no lol thats just my little run around. Ive got a old corsa redtop turbo and a clio 182

Pics of you with said cars and your v5 in hand with a loaf of bread or gtfo as your full of shit..

8th June 2010, 22:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

Pics of you with said cars and your v5 in hand with a loaf of bread or gtfo as your full of shit..

oh my god why would i lie!! Get a life

8th June 2010, 22:39

Db_sax I said performance wise = raising the rev limit is also a performance mod I never said nothing about bhp did I?

8th June 2010, 22:54

they cant afford cars like that . thats why its a sxi in the log book . or something stupid . and Vtr's it can do 60 in 2nd gear . the gear box could of been rebuilt . ie . the gear ratios made longer . ..

ps . its a forum no need to slate people off

8th June 2010, 23:31

I've learnt one thing whilst loosing 20min of my life reading this thread...

Not 1 person so far can take a decent video of their speedo.

9th June 2010, 17:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by col101

I've learnt one thing whilst loosing 20min of my life reading this thread...

Not 1 person so far can take a decent video of their speedo.

where abouts in york are you col?

9th June 2010, 17:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by lilwayne

they cant afford cars like that . thats why its a sxi in the log book . or something stupid . and Vtr's it can do 60 in 2nd gear . the gear box could of been rebuilt . ie . the gear ratios made longer . ..

ps . its a forum no need to slate people off

who the hell would rebuild a VTR gearbox with longer ratios?

GTFO.

9th June 2010, 20:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by PETE-VTR

where abouts in york are you col?

Acomb, mate. Just round the corner from Yorkie.

10th June 2010, 11:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by tryner

Come and test drive it. ive no reason to lie. im not saying its fast cause its not and my corsa redtop kills it but it does do 60mph in 2nd just has it hits the limiter!!!!! Could the engine of had alot of work done onnit?? i dont know ive only had it 2 weeks. pipercross filter, decat straight thru stainless 3" i can tell you the rest of the top speeds of each gear if you like. I just thought i would test it out yesterday and i wrote em all done

:w all:

The amount of noobs on this forum is a joke, yes mate it has a pipercross air filter so it blatently is well tuned, a well tuned engine does not come with a piper cross heat soak air filter. Go back and read your haynes modifying manual.

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmythechef

furios dont cut off at 5500RPM, its around 6250RPM

Not what i was saying, yes the limiter is 6250RPM but the power stops at 5500RPM after that, theres nothing..

10th June 2010, 11:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlosVT

Db_sax I said performance wise = raising the rev limit is also a performance mod I never said nothing about bhp did I?

Mate facts are facts, vtr can't do 60mph in second thats a fact.

Your cars rev limit is 6600RPM with vts gearbox supposedly, well funny enough vts has a bigger set of wheels and a limit of 7250RPM to get it to 60mph, even with your vtr limit raised vts box you still won't be hitting 60mph. Not only that but theres not alot of power after 5500RPM anyways.

Your speedo must be out, and your sat nav must be from aldi.

10th June 2010, 12:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mallyauto86

little vid of the VTR accelerating, cant really count the seconds as i messed up the start majorly so just ignore that lol

anyway what do you think of it's acceleration ?

Vid : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlvmWdOYfYA

Hi mate are you running standard fueling? just that if you raised the fuel pressure from stock 2 bar to 4 bar you will find it goes a hell of alot better on that cam trust me

You will get more power at lower revs and better high and you will notice the difference lol

Uprated fuel pump and 4 bar pressure valve will do the trick

11th June 2010, 20:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by PETE-VTR

who the hell would rebuild a VTR gearbox with longer ratios?

GTFO.

dont be a twat all your life . .. their is loads of things that shouldnt be done but people do them . . . so stfu

11th June 2010, 23:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by tryner

dont matter if uve got 8v or 16v. This site is for saxo owners. Ive got a car that will leave you and put your

to shame

Most people should know what i'm like by now, i honestly dont give a toss about straight line speed, its means nothing. A well driven vtr would leave a vts anyway.

You say you've got a car that would leave mine but do you know what my spec is....

11th June 2010, 23:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by geoffgti88

Hi mate are you running standard fueling? just that if you raised the fuel pressure from stock 2 bar to 4 bar you will find it goes a hell of alot better on that cam trust me

You will get more power at lower revs and better high and you will notice the difference lol

Uprated fuel pump and 4 bar pressure valve will do the trick

Sounds like a stab in that dark that fella, increasing fuel pressures can often hugely compromise engine safety.

12th June 2010, 08:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlosVT

Db_sax I said performance wise = raising the rev limit is also a performance mod I never said nothing about bhp did I?

right, firstly, raising you rev limit is NOT a performance mod. whats the point of revving a car past the point where its made peak power? revving your vtr to 6,600rpm is achieving sweet fuck all. get it on a rolling road and have a look at the power curve, then maybe you will see what i mean.

my vts produces peak power at 6,800 rpm. does this mean i continue to rev it to 7,800 where the limiter is set?? no, of course i don't, as the power gradually tails off after 7k.

i currently have vtr ratios in my vts and do you know what i can hit in 2nd? no? neither do i because i don't really give a fuck because i change at 6,800rpm anyway if i'm trying to get the most out of it.

all this shit about people saying, 'yeah mate, my vtr hits 60 in 2nd like' you sound like devvo. just because your vtr hits 60 in 2nd does NOT mean its a quick car.

12th June 2010, 16:05

i timed 8.7 seconds in my vtr the other day and that was accelerating on a slightly uphill straight road

12th June 2010, 16:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by webbo254

i timed 8.7 seconds in my vtr the other day and that was accelerating on a slightly uphill straight road

and that was hitting 60 in 2nd

12th June 2010, 20:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by col101

I've learnt one thing whilst loosing 20min of my life reading this thread...

Not 1 person so far can take a decent video of their speedo.

hahaha i was just thinking that mate!!!

16th June 2010, 21:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by maddison_vts

right, firstly, raising you rev limit is NOT a performance mod. whats the point of revving a car past the point where its made peak power? revving your vtr to 6,600rpm is achieving sweet fuck all. get it on a rolling road and have a look at the power curve, then maybe you will see what i mean.

my vts produces peak power at 6,800 rpm. does this mean i continue to rev it to 7,800 where the limiter is set?? no, of course i don't, as the power gradually tails off after 7k.

i currently have vtr ratios in my vts and do you know what i can hit in 2nd? no? neither do i because i don't really give a fuck because i change at 6,800rpm anyway if i'm trying to get the most out of it.

all this shit about people saying, 'yeah mate, my vtr hits 60 in 2nd like' you sound like devvo. just because your vtr hits 60 in 2nd does NOT mean its a quick car.

I never said it's a quick car, I just said it does 60 in 2nd. Just trying to prove a point. Maybe my dials are out or my tom tom is wrong. I couldnt care less anyway. Not trying to saying my VTR is the quickest thing in the world so I dont know what you're on about there

And lastly, I dont go around revving the shit out of my car and getting it to 6600rpm. I did it a few times because I wanted to see if it would hit 60 and secondly to find out if my limiter was raised or not seeing as everybody elses cuts out a 6250.

18th June 2010, 16:15

Just for comparison.

Quite a good quality video i though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gMEPNZZIHg

18th June 2010, 16:22

i like it ^^^

29th June 2010, 01:10

well Result is i hold a Standard VTS to 100mp/h on track so urm yeh i'm happy with that.