1.1 box in vtr

1. user_43359 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Shavington Crewe Posts: 828 MK2 Saxo VTR 51 PLATE

   #1 10th June 2010, 23:58

   Fitting a 1.1 box to my VTR tomorro and looking forward to the acceloration increase will post up a video or summink of the acceloration to see what you all think
2. sneydster Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2010 Dundee Posts: 176 Saxo West Coast

   #2 11th June 2010, 15:32

   surely that'd be too much power for a 1.1 box to handle??? and increase fuel consumption in 5th gear along with straining the box at higher speeds?
3. -Alex- Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 3470 Golf mk2

   #3 11th June 2010, 15:35

   I think simo ran 1.1 boxs on his vts turbo, eventually killing them. But the vtr engine responds well to them, although more fuel is consumed to high revving and lower top end speeds. Can't wait to put a 1.1 box on my vtr
4. JACKO-VTR Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2008 Derby !! Posts: 478 Saxo VTR !! Mercedes c220 cdi coupe 52

   #4 11th June 2010, 15:36

   no i had a 1.1sxi gearbox in my vtr it was rapid on acceleration and top end wasnt the best!
5. user_43359 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Shavington Crewe Posts: 828 MK2 Saxo VTR 51 PLATE

   #5 11th June 2010, 19:30

   Just got back from work from fitting it and in the 5 miles I've drove I love it it picks up sooooo much quicker. Gota admit I was at 70 and it was nearly 4k but still it's all good considering I don't use motorways at all really. Would definately recommend and will get some videos up soon of the acceloration
6. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

   #6 11th June 2010, 19:35

   Is a good cheap improvment.

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7. user_37187 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2009 Stranraer Posts: 3437 bodied VTR

   #7 11th June 2010, 19:46

   massive improvment i would say. my mate has a 1.1 box on a standard vtr and his kept up with my vtr which is cammed,421 manifold, full janspeed system surely they cant last long tho?
8. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

   #8 11th June 2010, 20:04

   Only difference is a smaller diff. The rest is just as strong as a VT box. So as long as you dont do brunouts at traffic lights itll last fine
9. PETE-VTR Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 york/ north yorkshire Posts: 1953

   #9 11th June 2010, 21:05

   i used to think 1.1 boxs were good on VTRs but now iv gone back to the VTR box it really is so much better! it shouldnt be...but it really is.
   
   good luck with the box mate thats all im going to say.
10. user_31021 Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Walsall. West Mids Posts: 736 Venetian red Mk1 VTR on Banded rallye steels

    #10 11th June 2010, 21:15

    completely straight swap, or do you need to use the 1.1 clutch? as its 180mm with the vtr clutch being 200mm?
    does the input shaft line up all correctly?
    thinking of doing this myself, as the ratios in the vtr box are wayyy too long

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11. user_43359 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Shavington Crewe Posts: 828 MK2 Saxo VTR 51 PLATE

    #11 11th June 2010, 23:15

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by WestCoastJosh completely straight swap, or do you need to use the 1.1 clutch? as its 180mm with the vtr clutch being 200mm? does the input shaft line up all correctly? thinking of doing this myself, as the ratios in the vtr box are wayyy too long

    use vtr/vts clutch as they are same, Use vtr driveshafts as the difference ain't in the diff it's in the hubs, everything else is the same all gearbox holes and everything line up. If you need anymore info send me a message as it's still fresh in my mind as I did it earlier took me about 3hours
12. user_43359 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Shavington Crewe Posts: 828 MK2 Saxo VTR 51 PLATE

    #12 14th June 2010, 21:57

    As promised the video of 0-60 on my car once the box had been fitted, ive tryed timing but TBH im a bit of a Downs so probs not right but would say about 8.4 seconds?!?! so on a 90bhp VTR with a air filter and Magnex Cat back thats a second and half increase not bad IMO
    
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CezqTaxPh4
    
    
    EDIT: apparently on parkers standard 0-60 on a 90bhp vtr is 9.9 seconds and 100bhp is 9.1 seconds
13. user_42881 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 North Shields Posts: 779

    #13 14th June 2010, 22:05

    nice seems like a good improvement for the price (guessing it wasnt that much?)
    
    Anyone know if fitting a vts box to a vtr would make a difference in acceleration and if it would keep some of the top end?? Ta
14. 9Freedman9 Established Member Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1997

    #14 14th June 2010, 22:13

    Had one, didn't notice a difference, blew it up in two months. The end.
15. user_42881 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 North Shields Posts: 779

    #15 14th June 2010, 22:39

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 9Freedman9 Had one, didn't notice a difference, blew it up in two months. The end.

    Was that a vts box or 1.1?? Ta
16. user_43359 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Shavington Crewe Posts: 828 MK2 Saxo VTR 51 PLATE

    #16 14th June 2010, 22:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by geordie_alex nice seems like a good improvement for the price (guessing it wasnt that much?) Anyone know if fitting a vts box to a vtr would make a difference in acceleration and if it would keep some of the top end?? Ta

    was 90 quid for box and apparently VTS improves acceleration and the 5th isnt as long as vtr but has been proved with a 7.2 k limiter to do 142 or summin so will still be good on motorway.
17. CitroenSport Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 1984 MK2 VTS 153bhp

    #17 14th June 2010, 22:47

    getting a vts box fitted to my vtr on fri so i will let you know if you still keep top end and any noticable improvement on acceleration

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18. qpr4eva4 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jul 2009 Milton Keynes Posts: 164 98 Saxo VTR

    #18 16th June 2010, 12:50

    see my diff blew up on my vtr and seeing this thread has got me bordering on getting a 1.1 gearbox for mine. but will i be in the same posistion in 2 months with another blown diff.
19. CoolC Established Member Joined: Oct 2007 Swindon Posts: 1569 Jap Import Supra 3.0TT 430bhp 6sp

    #19 16th June 2010, 18:57

    a millie a millie a millie.
    
    
    The only difference between the boxes is the final drive i thought
20. bmxlube Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 216 saxo 1.6 16v east cost (scraped) saxo 1.6 vtr

    #20 16th June 2010, 19:08

    i have a 1.1 gear box on my vts engine and i love it not had any problems with it so far
21. RyVTR Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Crewe Posts: 187 Ph2 VTS

    #21 16th June 2010, 19:39

    I thought that the diffs were the same through the whole range, and the only differance was the gear set?
22. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #22 16th June 2010, 20:56

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by WestCoastJosh completely straight swap, or do you need to use the 1.1 clutch? as its 180mm with the vtr clutch being 200mm? does the input shaft line up all correctly? thinking of doing this myself, as the ratios in the vtr box are wayyy too long

    the rule is you always use the clutch made for your engine i had a 1.1 box on my vts, since then ive fitted a vtr box, i didnt notice much difference in acceleration when i went back to the vtr box but its so nice to sit at 3k rpm doing 70 mph with a vtr box than it is doing 4k rpm at 70mph on the 1.1 box lol
23. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #23 16th June 2010, 21:00

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RyVTR I thought that the diffs were the same through the whole range, and the only differance was the gear set?

    no, the diff is smaller
    
    the non-sport boxes have smaller diff so have longer drive shafts,
    the sport boxes have a bigger diff so have shorted shafts
    
    so if you fitted a vtr box to a 1.1 using the 1.1 shafts you would leak oil as the shafts wouldn't fit in the diff properly, but its alright to use the vtr shafts with a 1.1 box, as they are smaller they would still make a good seal
24. nappert Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2010 Dundee Posts: 586 VTR also used to have Saxo 1.1i and Datsun cherr

    #24 22nd June 2010, 16:05

    but you can only do 30mph so why would you want more acceleration
25. titchster Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Down't road from Sheffield Posts: 4641 Was:16v 106 XS ..... Now: Import 1.8 MX5

    #25 22nd June 2010, 20:29

    You can do 70 round here... *facepalm*
    
    
    And to those of you who are blowing diffs, do you have no mechanical sympathy? Mine's stood up to a fair amount of abuse over the past 2 years, and has got a bit of a whine, still goes though.
26. CitroenSport Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 1984 MK2 VTS 153bhp

    #26 22nd June 2010, 22:58

    got my VTS box fitted and its a nice noticable difference in accleeration with fine top end
    would deffo recomend it!
    couldnt imagine a 1.1 box in like lol
27. Krys_23 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6543

    #27 22nd June 2010, 23:15

    Believe it or not there is barely a difference in a 1.1 box compared to a vts\gti box, the FD on the gti box is much about such with the 1.1 box from what i've read on rallye reg.
28. user_44872 Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2010 Tamworth Posts: 476 Black and Blue Vtr

    #28 23rd June 2010, 00:05

    what about the 1.4 box is that the same as the 1.1 or vtr or just completely different from both?
29. user_43359 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Shavington Crewe Posts: 828 MK2 Saxo VTR 51 PLATE

    #29 25th June 2010, 23:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Krys_23 Believe it or not there is barely a difference in a 1.1 box compared to a vts\gti box, the FD on the gti box is much about such with the 1.1 box from what i've read on rallye reg.

    wel mine is bouncing on limiter at 120MPH and i doubt its the same with the VTS so there is a bit of a difference, but who cares. i dont really speed on motorways i only like acceloration up to them speeds
30. user_29491 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.

    #30 25th June 2010, 23:57

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by H-Unwin wel mine is bouncing on limiter at 120MPH and i doubt its the same with the VTS so there is a bit of a difference, but who cares. i dont really speed on motorways i only like acceloration up to them speeds

    Fibs! lol
    
    i haz a 1.1 box, and ive been 123mph at 6300 rpm, revs to 6500 in 4th and 5th (vtr hard-cut limiter), never hit limiter in 5th, as i presume its 6500rpm, and its not on the powerband, so takes awhile to get any higher y0.
    
    Still a slow top end, but you gotta love the 6k-5k-6k-5k-6k gear changes.
31. user_43359 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Shavington Crewe Posts: 828 MK2 Saxo VTR 51 PLATE

    #31 26th June 2010, 00:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxova Fibs! lol i haz a 1.1 box, and ive been 123mph at 6300 rpm, revs to 6500 in 4th and 5th (vtr hard-cut limiter), never hit limiter in 5th, as i presume its 6500rpm, and its not on the powerband, so takes awhile to get any higher y0. Still a slow top end, but you gotta love the 6k-5k-6k-5k-6k gear changes.

    honest mate thats how i got 130 on my vtr box down a hill on M road and i think my limiter is 6250 as its just before the red it bounces