clio 172 powerd saxo

1. danzle16v Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2009 newcastle, whitley bay Posts: 102 mk2 saxo vts

   #1 14th June 2010, 18:33

   has anyone seen or tryed putting a 172 lump in a saxo? if so whats it like to do? and is it worth it?
2. lt-saxslo Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2009 peterborough Posts: 674 cli-y0!

   #2 14th June 2010, 18:41

   im guessing no, clios are cheap enough to buy and possibly handle better, i say possible cause i dont know for a fact
3. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

   #3 14th June 2010, 18:48

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by danzle16v has anyone seen or tryed putting a 172 lump in a saxo? if so whats it like to do? and is it worth it?

   dont know why anyone would want to.
4. L20VTS Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2007 Hams Hall/Spine Road etc Posts: 8076 Still broken ones.

   #4 14th June 2010, 18:51

   since when do clios handle better than saxos? lol
5. furio-james Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Chippenham Posts: 828 E36 330i coupe (converted)

   #5 14th June 2010, 19:15

   Would be a massive job changing all the mounting points alot of fabrication and cutting and I'm guessing custom made bits not worth even thinking about would be cheaper and easier and more powerful to turbo/supercharge the vts engine
6. VTR01KBR Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 686 Saxo VTR Mk2

   #6 14th June 2010, 20:08

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by lt-saxslo im guessing no, clios are cheap enough to buy and possibly handle better, i say possible cause i dont know for a fact

   Last time i checked Clio 172's werent 'cheap' to buy.
7. Aly Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2007 Sunderland Posts: 10341

   #7 14th June 2010, 20:15

   If you want a 172 engine in a light shell why don't you put one in a Mk1 Clio, my mate had one and it was an animal:
   
   
8. jmkemp2009 Newbie Joined: Oct 2009 essex southend on sea Posts: 25 1st car:Peugeot 106 GTi 1.6 16v(chipped&cammed)

   #8 14th June 2010, 20:35

   erm i done it i put a clio 197 engine in my saxo 1.1 it bolted strait in no modds needed and it ran on the saxo ecu and wiring loom plug and play basicly go out and buy your self a 197 engine for about 3 grand and it will be worth every penny you spent (btw your a prick for thinking of spending time asking questions about shit stop using the internet your a prick go get in your vts go down the road find a 106 gti race it get raped and roll it into a primary school.

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9. Beaniemoo Established Member Joined: Oct 2008 Milton Keynes Posts: 1210 Yellow 106 Rallye

   #9 14th June 2010, 20:37

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Aly If you want a 172 engine in a light shell why don't you put one in a Mk1 Clio, my mate had one and it was an animal:

   Is that Wayne's L9 PAJ?
10. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #10 14th June 2010, 20:40

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by L20VTS since when do clios handle better than saxos? lol

    Look at most motoring journo's top handling cars, and the clios are often rated higher, espec the cup/trophy
11. blakey260 Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 Rotherham/Sheffield Posts: 137 Ford Focus Zetec

    #11 15th June 2010, 00:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jmkemp2009 erm i done it i put a clio 197 engine in my saxo 1.1 it bolted strait in no modds needed and it ran on the saxo ecu and wiring loom plug and play basicly go out and buy your self a 197 engine for about 3 grand and it will be worth every penny you spent (btw your a prick for thinking of spending time asking questions about shit stop using the internet your a prick go get in your vts go down the road find a 106 gti race it get raped and roll it into a primary school.

    
    
    what the fa.. think some needs to chill are he only asked a question jeez,
    
    if you were just after a bigger engine wouldn't the pug 206 gti engine be the easier option?
12. Mieran Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2007 Newcastle Posts: 6719

    #12 15th June 2010, 01:18

    You can probably turbo a VTS for the same price
    
    And if you really want a 172 get a PH1, they go for under 2K
13. Aly Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2007 Sunderland Posts: 10341

    #13 15th June 2010, 02:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jmkemp2009 erm i done it i put a clio 197 engine in my saxo 1.1 it bolted strait in no modds needed and it ran on the saxo ecu and wiring loom plug and play basicly go out and buy your self a 197 engine for about 3 grand and it will be worth every penny you spent (btw your a prick for thinking of spending time asking questions about shit stop using the internet your a prick go get in your vts go down the road find a 106 gti race it get raped and roll it into a primary school.

    LOL Thanks for that
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Beaniemoo Is that Wayne's L9 PAJ?

    It certainly is mate, Mieran's mate killed it though
14. Mieran Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2007 Newcastle Posts: 6719

    #14 15th June 2010, 14:55

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Aly It certainly is mate, Mieran's mate killed it though

    Its going back on road soon with a 1.8 16v engine
15. Beaniemoo Established Member Joined: Oct 2008 Milton Keynes Posts: 1210 Yellow 106 Rallye

    #15 15th June 2010, 18:07

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Aly LOL Thanks for that It certainly is mate, Mieran's mate killed it though

    
    How dare he! That car is legendary!
    He helped us out at the beginning of our Mk1 172 conversion!
16. Aly Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2007 Sunderland Posts: 10341

    #16 15th June 2010, 18:52

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Beaniemoo How dare he! That car is legendary! He helped us out at the beginning of our Mk1 172 conversion!

    John took me out the first night he got it, I remember it being a cold November night (I think), he brought it to a meet it had no heaters etc, I was freezing cold but I've never been in anything FWD as fast as that car before, used to spin in practically every gear in the wet!
17. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #17 15th June 2010, 22:34

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Aly If you want a 172 engine in a light shell why don't you put one in a Mk1 Clio, my mate had one and it was an animal:

    where did you get that pic? whos car is it? i fitted that engine into a blue mk1 but that eng bay is white.
18. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #18 15th June 2010, 22:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Aly LOL Thanks for that It certainly is mate, Mieran's mate killed it though

    it was me that pulled the engine out lol, and fitted it into another mk1
19. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #19 15th June 2010, 22:36

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mieran Its going back on road soon with a 1.8 16v engine

    williams performance

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20. Aly Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2007 Sunderland Posts: 10341

    #20 15th June 2010, 22:39

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by williamsvts it was me that pulled the engine out lol, and fitted it into another mk1

    I know you did Marc, by killing I meant the spirit of the old car lol, I've been told it's nothing like it used to be since it was a shame.
    
    That picture is off my mates Facebook, That's the engine bay off what the car it was originally in L9 PAJ
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by williamsvts williams performance

    Only way to go tbh.
21. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #21 15th June 2010, 22:47

    i took the engine out of paj mate, and the engine bay is blue on that car lol, i had paj sitting at my place for about 2 month after it had its heart ripped out.
22. Mieran Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2007 Newcastle Posts: 6719

    #22 15th June 2010, 23:04

    PAJ was a legend tbf.
    
    My new Nova feels like the Vauxhall version of PAJ, even has orange cage, similar blue colour, and just as hardcore
23. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #23 15th June 2010, 23:07

    you got it yet?
24. Mieran Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2007 Newcastle Posts: 6719

    #24 15th June 2010, 23:12

    Yeah, you will like it.
    
    Everything is pretty much brand new.
25. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #25 15th June 2010, 23:16

    get it over unit some time
26. user_39821 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2009 Uckfield, East Sussex Posts: 3362 Citroen saxo 1.4 furio

    #26 15th June 2010, 23:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by williamsvts get it over unit some time

    You luring his car in so you can rip his engine out haha
27. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #27 15th June 2010, 23:20

    once its in and the shutters are down thats it!!!!
28. ryansaxo2010 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2010 chepstow Posts: 138 saxo furio, vts conversion with cat cams and a tur

    #28 15th June 2010, 23:25

    my m8s dun this cuz the clio engine as a tu engine it just goes in but not all of em fit so make sure u get the tu 1..... some are diff but fine thts the 197 not 100% sure all i can say is if u do it make sure uve got an anchor for a brake cuz fk me dus his fly its not even sensibly fast them clio engines fell like theve got a slight vtec to them....
29. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #29 15th June 2010, 23:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ryansaxo2010 my m8s dun this cuz the clio engine as a tu engine it just goes in but not all of em fit so make sure u get the tu 1..... some are diff but fine thts the 197 not 100% sure all i can say is if u do it make sure uve got an anchor for a brake cuz fk me dus his fly its not even sensibly fast them clio engines fell like theve got a slight vtec to them....

    wtf???
    
    thats a 172 engine. clio 172s arent tu engines lol
    
    you saying your mate has a 172 engine in his saxo?
30. Mieran Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2007 Newcastle Posts: 6719

    #30 15th June 2010, 23:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ryansaxo2010 my m8s dun this cuz the clio engine as a tu engine it just goes in but not all of em fit so make sure u get the tu 1..... some are diff but fine thts the 197 not 100% sure all i can say is if u do it make sure uve got an anchor for a brake cuz fk me dus his fly its not even sensibly fast them clio engines fell like theve got a slight vtec to them....

    lul whut?
31. ryansaxo2010 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2010 chepstow Posts: 138 saxo furio, vts conversion with cat cams and a tur

    #31 15th June 2010, 23:38

    yeh hes got an early model vtr with a 172 engine said it went it nicley... hes a shit hot mechanic tho like he just gets ideas and makes them work..... it goes like the clappers tho relli stupid wipes type rs out all day long.. he said summat bout it being a tu engine tho and it being easy to get it i may have mis understood him but just lettin uu know it can be dun.... he day spend bout 3k for a write off 172 and stand alone fuel pump swil pot and other bits to get everything running the way he wanted... but its diffrent....
32. Mieran Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2007 Newcastle Posts: 6719

    #32 15th June 2010, 23:42

    pics or it didnt happen
33. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #33 15th June 2010, 23:44

    172 engine is NOT the same family engine as a saxo engine mate. not saying it cant be done as it definetly could. would like to see the car though. its a tight fit in a mk1 clio so would be tight in a saxo.
34. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #34 15th June 2010, 23:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mieran pics or it didnt happen

    
    thinking the same thing aswell tbh
35. ryansaxo2010 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2010 chepstow Posts: 138 saxo furio, vts conversion with cat cams and a tur

    #35 15th June 2010, 23:50

    ill try and get sum pics off him tomo he works for newport ford ill pop by after work and get him to send me a few he just dus it all as a hobby where currently looking at puttin a subaru sti wrx imprezza engine into a 306 as andy burton has a 306 with a mercades cosworth engine we thought wed give him sumting to raival at the next wyedean rallye
36. Mieran Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2007 Newcastle Posts: 6719

    #36 15th June 2010, 23:53

    can't wait to see those pics
37. Russ_16v Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2010 Wiltshire Posts: 164 Clio 172 Exclusive

    #37 16th June 2010, 11:33

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ryansaxo2010 my m8s dun this cuz the clio engine as a tu engine it just goes in but not all of em fit so make sure u get the tu 1..... some are diff but fine thts the 197 not 100% sure all i can say is if u do it make sure uve got an anchor for a brake cuz fk me dus his fly its not even sensibly fast them clio engines fell like theve got a slight vtec to them....

    
    
    As said they are nothing like the TU, though will be good to see some pictures, the Exhaust manifold sticks out the back a fair few inches so will be good to see how he got around that. The gearbox is also a bit bulky, and the driveshafts are bigger compared to the VTR's, do you know what he did with the shafts? Is he using 172 hubs or has is cobbled together some sort of custom shafts to fit the VTR hubs?
    
    Also the 172 has a lower box mount to bolt it to the subframe, this acts a stabliser, has he retained this?
    
    They do have VVT, but its more for emissions and low speed driveability, it kicks in at circa 1800 rpm out back out at circa 6500 rpm, the fabled '5k kick' is simply the engine running at its best volumetic efficiency
    
    I dont have a 5k kick any more, the itb's spread the power out lovely
38. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #38 16th June 2010, 12:06

    you could retain the rear box mount easily, just use the clio and saxo rear box mounts and to make 1 that will fit the clio box and saxo chassis mount, imo, it prob wouldnt be too hard to get the thing in, as i think the saxo might just be the right size to got the mounts onto the saxo chassis and engine bay, but it would be making the shafts etc that would be a fuck on.
    
    would like to see it, just from the posts above theres too much shit in there for it to be real.
39. DamoVTS Established Member Joined: Jul 2006 West Sussex Posts: 1846 Clio 182 :D

    #39 16th June 2010, 12:12

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Russ_16v As said they are nothing like the TU, though will be good to see some pictures, the Exhaust manifold sticks out the back a fair few inches so will be good to see how he got around that. The gearbox is also a bit bulky, and the driveshafts are bigger compared to the VTR's, do you know what he did with the shafts? Is he using 172 hubs or has is cobbled together some sort of custom shafts to fit the VTR hubs? Also the 172 has a lower box mount to bolt it to the subframe, this acts a stabliser, has he retained this? They do have VVT, but its more for emissions and low speed driveability, it kicks in at circa 1800 rpm out back out at circa 6500 rpm, the fabled '5k kick' is simply the engine running at its best volumetic efficiency I dont have a 5k kick any more, the itb's spread the power out lovely

    Plus its not even a TU its a FR engine
40. Russ_16v Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2010 Wiltshire Posts: 164 Clio 172 Exclusive

    #40 16th June 2010, 14:31

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by williamsvts you could retain the rear box mount easily, just use the clio and saxo rear box mounts and to make 1 that will fit the clio box and saxo chassis mount, imo, it prob wouldnt be too hard to get the thing in, as i think the saxo might just be the right size to got the mounts onto the saxo chassis and engine bay, but it would be making the shafts etc that would be a fuck on. would like to see it, just from the posts above theres too much shit in there for it to be real.

    There isnt a rear box mount mate, im taking about the front lower mount, from memory it would be at the wrong angle to bolt onto anything, meaning the box weight would be on the top box mount.
41. user_16990 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 810 2001 VTS

    #41 16th June 2010, 21:18

    197 powered Clio Williams would be the sex
42. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #42 16th June 2010, 21:47

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Russ_16v There isnt a rear box mount mate, im taking about the front lower mount, from memory it would be at the wrong angle to bolt onto anything, meaning the box weight would be on the top box mount.

    aww yeah, forgot it was on the front. could fab a bracket onto the lower crossmember below the rad on the saxo.
43. Beaniemoo Established Member Joined: Oct 2008 Milton Keynes Posts: 1210 Yellow 106 Rallye

    #43 16th June 2010, 21:53

    This is out 172 powered mk1, with fibre glass doors and tailgate, carbon roof, bonnet
    
    
    
    But that engine has now been removed and this big build engine is now going in
    
    
44. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #44 16th June 2010, 21:55

    that isnt a saxo though........
45. Beaniemoo Established Member Joined: Oct 2008 Milton Keynes Posts: 1210 Yellow 106 Rallye

    #45 16th June 2010, 21:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by williamsvts that isnt a saxo though........

    Yeah, sorry, everyone was getting on the 172 into a mk1 thing so I thought I'd do some ASWing
    
    Sorry