VTS Engine

1. Yellow_Saxo_Paul Established Member Joined: Aug 2009 Stafford Posts: 2124 2006 Peugeot 207 S

   #1 15th June 2010, 23:47

   Seriously now thinking of swapping to a VTS engine.
   
   Currently a 1.4 engine but everything else on the car is VTS.
   
   What price I am looking at?
   
   And does anyone know anyone good at fitting etc?
   
   Cheers
2. readie Established Member Joined: Oct 2008 leeds Posts: 2430 05' Clio 182

   #2 16th June 2010, 13:42

   ricky p would do the job im sure! just a bit of a drive
3. Yellow_Saxo_Paul Established Member Joined: Aug 2009 Stafford Posts: 2124 2006 Peugeot 207 S

   #3 16th June 2010, 17:38

   wheres he located pal?
4. Krys_23 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6543

   #4 16th June 2010, 17:40

   Mounts are different on 1.4 so you'd need vts mounts, still quite straight forward if i'm honest.

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5. 3cott Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2008 Rotherham Posts: 4614 Black mk2 vts

   #5 16th June 2010, 17:51

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Yellow_Saxo_Paul wheres he located pal?

   Barnsley

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6. Jo3fish Established Member Joined: Jul 2009 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 1267 03 EP3

   #6 16th June 2010, 17:52

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   Originally Posted by Colin Here is a little guide for converting your Saxo to 16v. A 16v will fit straight in most Saxos no problems. Just get the 16v engine from the same year as your car and same ECU. There are 2 main types of ECU, a Single Plug and a 3 Plug. I.E 1998 single plug 16v into a 1998 single plug VTR/1.1/1.4 Immobiliser, just simply start your engine and then pull your immobiliser out from under the fuse box and this unlocks the ECU and lets you use the 16v one which will need unlocking. I recommend Blue Hawk Electronics in Nottingham for unlocking the 16v ECU. Then shut your engine off, and then restart it to see if it’s worked! But if you have an after market immobiliser instead, then I believe this is not necessary, BUT do it anyway! The ideal place for a conversion should be quiet and under a canopy so you will not get wet. You can do the complete conversion in a weekend. Tools you will need: Engine crane A LARGE selection of tools A ball joint splitter Electrical tools (just in case) Trolley jack Axle stands A mechanical-ish brain! The conversion is really easy. You will need: Engine Gearbox Unlocked ECU Wiring Loom VTS Top engine mount VTS throttle cable VTS exhaust manifold Ideally you would also need: VTS Radiator Top Radiator hose (lower VTR hose you can cut to length) VTS fan setup Also: New engine oil New gearbox oil Coolant Change cam belt while engine is out of the car. And also get anything else to perform a complete service. The car runs very hot with the VTR cooling setup so I would advise getting the VTS cooling setup. When the old engine is out, the best way to put the new 16v in is through the bottom. Using the engine crane, lift up the chassis and slide the 16v under the car. Then lower the chassis back down onto the axle stands and then proceed to lift the 16v up to bolt into place. For the fuel return, you can simply plug the hole with a screw and thread lock. But ideally you want to run a fuel return from the fuel rail back to the tank. And also use all the correct pipes and fuel pressure regulators. VTRs have an FPR on the tank. Simply do away with that FPR and plumb a line back to the tank/pump. There are different types of fuel tanks for the Saxo. Some already have a return facility plumbed in. Your best off finding out which one you have before you tackle the fuel return. It’s a simple job but very frustrating! And you have to think about it. Some Saxos run OK without a return, but from personal experience, mine does not run very well. So I plumbed in the return. Wiring is dead easy. Plug the main harness in that’s behind the nearside headlight and plug in all the other necessary items in like fuel pipes, gear linkages etc. All driveshafts from a VTR will definitely fit the VTS gearbox, although some have different splines than others and maybe ABS. But if you get the engine from the same year as your car, then there should not be any problems. Hope all that helps! Please PM me if you need anymore information! Colin.

   
   Theres quite a few people on here who are perfectly capable of performing the conversion provided you supply the parts, in as little as a day or less, And for labour for fitting you should be looking around the £250 mark, which is a fair price.
   
   Hopefully the info above is of some use GL.
   
   thanks,
   
   Joe

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7. Colin Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2006 Banbury Posts: 4623 Saxo Rally Car Evo 6

   #7 16th June 2010, 21:13

   IIRC the only one with majorly different engine mounts is the old 1.1s
8. geoffgti88 Regular Poster Joined: May 2010 Shitty Redditch! Posts: 445 MK1 VTR Silver, 205 GTI track car, 306 S16

   #8 17th June 2010, 16:41

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Colin IIRC the only one with majorly different engine mounts is the old 1.1s

   £250 is cheap! I usually swap like for like eg 1.4 to 1.4 for £200 so your getting a bargain
9. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

   #9 17th June 2010, 17:38

   i would fit it all and get it running for £250-300. You supply the parts
10. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #10 17th June 2010, 17:40

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sparco_Tom i would fit it all and get it running for £250-300. You supply the parts

    sounds like a plan batman, do itttt

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11. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #11 17th June 2010, 17:46

    he should i need the money
12. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #12 17th June 2010, 18:00

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sparco_Tom he should i need the money

    if i was in oxford id pay you to do my fuel return ive got the pipe just really cba to do it my self
13. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #13 17th June 2010, 18:07

    where are you and when will you be?
14. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #14 17th June 2010, 18:16

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    Originally Posted by Sparco_Tom where are you and when will you be?

    im back at home in rutland atm (90miles from oxford), as im working back here for the summer but ill be back up in about a week and half to look for a new house so we might be able to meet up then
15. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #15 17th June 2010, 18:19

    that could be possible mate. give me a pm or text nearer the time