Furio to Vtr

20th June 2010, 21:44

Thinking of doing engine conversion to vtr just for bit more
speed and that coz was thinking they are going cheap on ebay and that
just wanting to know what i would need:

engine , loom, ecu what about box will furio fit and all the rest be ok
or is it more than just engine loom and ecu?

Cheers

20th June 2010, 22:00

furio box will fit, to do it on the cheap you only really need the complete engine, loom and unlocked ecu simpless

20th June 2010, 22:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe_allen

Thinking of doing engine conversion to vtr just for bit more
speed and that coz was thinking they are going cheap on ebay and that
just wanting to know what i would need:

engine , loom, ecu what about box will furio fit and all the rest be ok
or is it more than just engine loom and ecu?

Cheers

You wont have to change the whole engine dude, there was someone over on 106 owners who had a 1.4 quiksilver and he had her running the same as a VTR, VTR inlet and few bits and bobs will be good

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20th June 2010, 22:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pearson

You wont have to change the whole engine dude, there was someone over on 106 owners who had a 1.4 quiksilver and he had her running the same as a VTR, VTR inlet and few bits and bobs will be good

.

you joking? thats a load of bollox

20th June 2010, 22:46

yeah there was a quicksilver at fcs that just had inlet and full exhaust and was same bhp as a vtr but for the price to do that i could get the vtr engine and then do the same and get even more bhp

20th June 2010, 22:51

it would take a shit load more than a vtr inlet and exhaust to get a furio the same bhp as a vtr, also its not just about power, the vtr engine has a load more torque over a furio as it has an extra 200cc, believe me mate its a load of shit, samueljonburgess off here has a furio with 4-2-1, decat exhaust, vtr inlet, cammed and its 87bhp iirc, and even he is doing a vtr conversion

20th June 2010, 22:54

read the stickies

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Dan-

*For those wanting to increase the power of their car one of the best and easiest ways is to change up to a bigger capacity unit. For those with a 1.0, 1.1 or 1.4 engine lots of tuning mods can be done to improve performance, in fact the same ones and at the same price as on the 1.6, so why not get a 1.6 engine to start with. If you were to tune a 1.0 or 1.1 to the limit it would cost far more than a mildly tuned 1.6 and would still not have the power and to a lesser degree this holds good for the 1.4.

The great advantage of putting a 1.6 VTR engine into a smaller engine model (this can also be done on AX’s) is that as it is the same series of engine, the TU, it just goes straight in with no modifications. I know some people; especially those with 1.4’s will say that the VTR engine is only 90 hp and so very little more than the 1.4. Whilst this is true the VTR has been deliberately restricted by Citroen to make it less powerful than the 16v VTS otherwise no one would buy a VTS. They achieve this by putting on an exhaust system that reduces in size in the middle section so if you fit a good sports system like the Scorpion or Piper, the power rises instantly. One more thing that most people don’t consider is the torque of engine, they only look at horsepower. Torque is far more important, torque gives acceleration, and horsepower gives top speed. The 1.6 VTR engine has substantially more torque than the 1.4 so even if you do not tune the engine it will be far superior.

20th June 2010, 22:56

fair enough mate that quicksilver at show probs was a vtr aha but yeah thats what am
after more bhp and torque so just get vtr and pritty much straight forward just engine, loom and unlocked ecu? any problems i may run into at all with things not going straight
forward anyone know?

20th June 2010, 22:59

tbh mate a lot of things could go wrong (not trying to put you off) but do it and if you need any help just have a search, or post up a thread, or you can even message me

but untill you do it theres no knowing what could go wrong, i had no problems at all with my vts conversion

20th June 2010, 23:00

ahhh cheers mate that helped and reason i wana do vtr coz looks same as the 1.4

20th June 2010, 23:00

well actually theres no thing, before you even think about connecting your unlcoked ecu to the loom, make sure the immobiliser box has been unplugged otherwise it'll make your ecu useless

20th June 2010, 23:07

aha check will remember that one

20th June 2010, 23:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe_allen

ahhh cheers mate that helped and reason i wana do vtr coz looks same as the 1.4

So an undeclared engine swop - effectively voiding your insurance...

21st June 2010, 00:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quick

So an undeclared engine swop - effectively voiding your insurance...

Each to their own. Okay it's wrong and it bumps up honest peoples policies blah blah blah........(insert Jehovahs Witness type statement of your choice here)....... Insurance is a rip off purely because the insurance companies have us by the bollocks and it's hardly murder changing your engine for one of slightly higher capacity is it? Go for it I say!! If you get caught though just remember it's your fault and don't be so stupid next time.

21st June 2010, 01:04

i dont see how they can even find out its a vtr engine without dyno'ing it.

21st June 2010, 09:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by laberridge

i dont see how they can even find out its a vtr engine without dyno'ing it.

Engine number, when it doesn't match the one on the V5.
1.4 is an alloy block IIRC, 1.6 is steel.
Different inlet manifold & throttle body.

21st June 2010, 10:31

yeah obviously i dont wana void my insurance so i shall get a quote for all you
honest people out there but forget it if its stupidly expensive, plus if they do find
out i know nothing about cars and was like it when i brought it

22nd June 2010, 01:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quick

Engine number, when it doesn't match the one on the V5.
1.4 is an alloy block IIRC, 1.6 is steel.
Different inlet manifold & throttle body.

isnt the egine number printed on a peice of paper stuck to the engine though lol? mine fell off other day.

22nd June 2010, 06:55

Would it be a better idea to go straight to a 16v engine conversion?
Or is that not an option?

22nd June 2010, 10:18

http://www.106owners.co.uk/forums/th...ew-Car-Arrived...

Engine
2003 53' Quiksilver 1.4 8v Engine
Standard De-Restricted Air Box
Raceland 4-2-1 Manifold
2" Group N Peugeot Sport Exhaust
De-Silenced Center Section
Motorsport Exhaust Mounts
G.E Quikshift
Powerflex Lower Engine Mount
GMC 2nd Lambda Sleeve

Suspension
GAZ Fully Adjustable Coilovers

Brakes
Citroen Saxo VTS Front Brake Conversion
OEM 247mm Disc's And Pads
Goodridge Braided Brake Lines
Calipers Painted Red

Wheels & Tyres
Smooth Gloss Black Raptor Alloys
Rear Eibach 10mm Wheel Spacers
Federal 185/55/14 All Round

Exterior
Streamline Carbon GRP Gloss Black Bumpstrips
Gloss Black Rallye Inserts
Renault Laguna Splitter
Genuine Black GTi Spoiler
Black Sunstrip
Ultra Black Projector Headlights
Bonnet Raiser Kit
Citroen Xsara Washer Jets
Aero Wiper Blades
Rear Smoked MR's
Bonnet And Boot Lifters Painted Cherry Red
Smoked Side Repeaters
French Pressed Registration Plates
Gloss Black Front Badge
Door Handles De-Stickered
Gloss Black Mirror Caps
De-Wipered Rear
Smooth Boot
Towing Eyes Painted Red
Various Stickers

Interior
OMP TR-S Bucket
OMP Subframe With Slider
Sabelt 4-Point Harness
106 GTi Leather Steering Wheel
S1 Red Rallye Door Cards
Black Carpeted Mats
Dash Parts Sprayed Red
Sony Headunit
Edge Front Components

22nd June 2010, 14:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pearson

2003 53' Quiksilver 1.4 8v Engine

I'm sorry but there's no replacement for displacement.

22nd June 2010, 14:20

aha yeah couldn't agree more but nice 106

22nd June 2010, 18:56

was that the quicky that was supposed to be as fast as a vtr??? it only got an exhaust and manifold! lol

its very nice but sorry no where near as fast as a vtr

22nd June 2010, 19:55

don't know tbh all look the same to me :/ aha but think it may well be