Stroking a 1.1

1. FunkyDave Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2010 Preston, Lancashire Posts: 235 2001 Renault Megane 1.9DTi

   #1 23rd June 2010, 12:36

   Afternoon,
   
   For a side project and something to p**s about doing for a few weeks im looking to rebuild my spare 1.1 engine. Been trawling about looking for ideas and i've been wondering if I could use the crank or con rods from the 1.4 engine?
   
   The reason for this thought is that according to the haynes manual they both have the same bearing diameter so in theory the con rods from the 1.4 should fit the 1.1 crank. any advice/info on this would be appriciate.
   
   FYI if my calcs are correct this shoudl give the equivilant of a 125cc increase to bring the 1124 up to 1249
2. PETE-VTR Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 york/ north yorkshire Posts: 1953

   #2 23rd June 2010, 12:39

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by FunkyDave Afternoon, For a side project and something to p**s about doing for a few weeks im looking to rebuild my spare 1.1 engine. Been trawling about looking for ideas and i've been wondering if I could use the crank or con rods from the 1.4 engine? The reason for this thought is that according to the haynes manual they both have the same bearing diameter so in theory the con rods from the 1.4 should fit the 1.1 crank. any advice/info on this would be appriciate. FYI if my calcs are correct this shoudl give the equivilant of a 125cc increase to bring the 1124 up to 1249

   worth the hassle for an extra 125cc?
   
   why not push the boat out and make a 16v 1.1/1.4
3. FunkyDave Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2010 Preston, Lancashire Posts: 235 2001 Renault Megane 1.9DTi

   #3 23rd June 2010, 12:44

   Wont be too much hassel(i think) was hoping to whip the sum cover off and then see if i could change the con rods without taking the head off. From what i can see the 16v head wouldn't fit on as the bore is a fair whack too big and would need some beefed up wet liners at the head while keeping them the same lower down.
4. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

   #4 23rd June 2010, 13:41

   block heights are different so you would need to machine the block and liners down a cost in itself not worth it unless you can get it done for FA.
5. sexysilversaxo Newbie Joined: Feb 2010 cambridge Posts: 22 1.o ax neon and now my 1.1 saxo desire

   #5 23rd June 2010, 15:40

   if im not mistaken the cc is all in the cylinders? and only way to increase the cc is by boring out the cylinders, increasing capacity? so it dont matter what con rods or crank u use the cc stays the same?
6. Quick Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2003 United Kingdom (England) Posts: 7064

   #6 23rd June 2010, 17:07

   Engine displacement is determined from the bore and stroke of an engine's cylinders. The bore is the diameter of the circular chambers cut into the cylinder block.
   
   
   
   
7. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #7 23rd June 2010, 17:15

   could just fit a 1.4 engine

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8. r33ryan Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 133

   #8 23rd June 2010, 18:40

   for what you would gain and to notice any difference why not just stick a vts lump in
9. axsaxoman Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380

   #9 23rd June 2010, 19:35

   won,t fit --what you are trying to do was done by citroen +pug ,itwas the ax sport engine 1294cc--used funny storke crank +rods +pistons +liners .
   rev to the moon .
   no the bits you are talking about won,t just fit ,

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10. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #10 23rd June 2010, 19:48

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by axsaxoman won,t fit --what you are trying to do was done by citroen +pug ,itwas the ax sport engine 1294cc--used funny storke crank +rods +pistons +liners . rev to the moon . no the bits you are talking about won,t just fit ,

    
    152bhp your old one wasn't it john?
11. FunkyDave Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2010 Preston, Lancashire Posts: 235 2001 Renault Megane 1.9DTi

    #11 24th June 2010, 09:06

    Bugger it, i'll fit a 1.4 then. Any one got one goin cheap?
12. samueljonburgess Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2007 bromley Posts: 2728 Nissan S13, Saxo Furio

    #12 24th June 2010, 09:09

    they are cheap anyway mate have a look on ebay
13. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #13 24th June 2010, 09:11

    you'll pick one up for a bout £50! i paid £40 for a westcoast engine
14. FunkyDave Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2010 Preston, Lancashire Posts: 235 2001 Renault Megane 1.9DTi

    #14 24th June 2010, 10:27

    so which would be the best 1.4 to go for? and would it be worth looking at 106 1.4's aswell?
15. samueljonburgess Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2007 bromley Posts: 2728 Nissan S13, Saxo Furio

    #15 24th June 2010, 10:29

    pug 106 xsi... duno if the loom is the same tho
16. MiDnighTcLuB Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Weston-Super-Mare Posts: 672 Mapped 306 HDI

    #16 24th June 2010, 10:34

    106 xsi is about vtr spec iirc ??
17. samueljonburgess Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2007 bromley Posts: 2728 Nissan S13, Saxo Furio

    #17 24th June 2010, 10:35

    ye think they are about 100bhp standard... as said duno about loom
18. MiDnighTcLuB Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Weston-Super-Mare Posts: 672 Mapped 306 HDI

    #18 24th June 2010, 10:39

    i think you have to modify the loom and splice the 106 loom with the saxo one
19. FunkyDave Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2010 Preston, Lancashire Posts: 235 2001 Renault Megane 1.9DTi

    #19 24th June 2010, 12:28

    lookin on auto trader, can pick up a 1.4 saxo for about £5-600 or could swap camps and go pug......