Important! : Fast road/track suspension set up advice please

1. RAFkev Established Member Joined: Nov 2005 Wirral Posts: 2198

   #1 6th July 2010, 12:45

   Sorry for the important prefix! iPhone says I have to choose one!
   
   Anyway, I have about 400 quid to spend on suspension.
   I am starting to do some track days now so want to sort it out.
   
   What is a good set up for my budget?
   
   Cheers
   Kev
2. RyanSaxo Established Member Joined: Jul 2007 Midlandzzz Posts: 1613 The 'S

   #2 6th July 2010, 13:03

   have you tried a search?
   
   sure this question has been asked so many times.... i just searched.
   
   i've decided to go for b8's with faulkner springs from KamRacing.
   
   or go GroupN's with harder springs if you don't care about comfort as much.
3. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

   #3 6th July 2010, 13:11

   Are you starting completely from scratch with a bog standard suspension?
   
   Are you wanting to spend the entire £400 just on springs/dampers or is it £400 only to include as many bits as possible such as bushes or strut braces etc etc?
4. RAFkev Established Member Joined: Nov 2005 Wirral Posts: 2198

   #4 6th July 2010, 13:29

   Didn't think to search! My bad!
   
   I bought the car lowered already on unknown springs and standard shocks. But my right rear shock has failed so I figured I'll replace all 4.
   
   I just want shocks and springs for now. Will replace bushes etc at a later date.
   
   Oh and I have an e-tech upper front strut brace.
5. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

   #5 6th July 2010, 13:36

   IMO, its only worth spending that bit more on the suspension if you are definatly going to commit to buying all the other chassi parts like engine mounts, bushes and mounts and tyres, brakes throughout the car.
   
   If not, then the apex kit is more than adequate.
6. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

   #6 6th July 2010, 13:38

   Good stuff, so when you say "about £400" to spend is there any stretch on that?
   
   If so:
   
   Billie Group N front dampers, B8 rears with GMC springs will be a great buy at just under £450
   http://www.gmcmotorsport.co.uk/index...products_id=91
   
   Or for £465 you can get the above but with the group N rear dampers instead of the B8's
   http://www.gmcmotorsport.co.uk/index...products_id=92

   3 users thanked this post: raunchz, Mochachino, user_26132
7. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

   #7 6th July 2010, 13:39

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by db_sax IMO, its only worth spending that bit more on the suspension if you are definatly going to commit to buying all the other chassi parts like engine mounts, bushes and mounts and tyres, brakes throughout the car. If not, then the apex kit is more than adequate.

   As above,
   
   The billies and the GMC springs will be great but if you're not looking to go the whole hog with the other bits and bobs the Apex kit is very very good for its price and you'd still have money left over to buy other bits
8. RAFkev Established Member Joined: Nov 2005 Wirral Posts: 2198

   #8 6th July 2010, 13:41

   Oh yeah, I'll defo go the whole way with it at some point. I always put good tyres on it. And I already have GTi-6 brakes with ferodo pads up front.
   
   I just had a look at kam racing site.
   If I get b8 billies with 155 faulkners that would leave a few quid for bushes/mounts.
   
   What you guys think?
9. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

   #9 6th July 2010, 13:47

   Can't see any Billies listed on Kamracing, are you sure theyre still stocking them? (I dont think im going blind)
   
   B8's with the Faulkners will be a very adequate combination too if thats more suitable price wise
10. RAFkev Established Member Joined: Nov 2005 Wirral Posts: 2198

    #10 6th July 2010, 13:57

    Yep
    
    http://www.kamracing.co.uk/index.php/citroen/citroen-saxo.html?manufacturer=27
11. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #11 6th July 2010, 15:11

    Group N's with GMC springs = AWESOME setup !
12. user_10418 Saxperience Addict Joined: Jun 2006 Wirral Posts: 13584 Wickerd red VTS MK2, Two tone VTS MK2,vvc Metro..

    #12 6th July 2010, 19:55

    Get some Billies on......................lol....best buy.....
13. RAFkev Established Member Joined: Nov 2005 Wirral Posts: 2198

    #13 7th July 2010, 13:36

    Is there much difference between b8's an group N's?
    
    What will the ride height be?
14. RAFkev Established Member Joined: Nov 2005 Wirral Posts: 2198

    #14 7th July 2010, 14:20

    And what lb rating are the gmc springs?
15. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #15 7th July 2010, 14:23

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RAFkev And what lb rating are the gmc springs?

    Roughly 160-170lb I think - they feel more than stiff enough on the road
16. RAFkev Established Member Joined: Nov 2005 Wirral Posts: 2198

    #16 7th July 2010, 14:35

    Hmmm.
    I'm gonna go for group n up front and b8 at the rear.
    Question now is faulkner springs or gmc?
17. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #17 7th July 2010, 14:50

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by willsy Can't see any Billies listed on Kamracing, are you sure theyre still stocking them? (I dont think im going blind) B8's with the Faulkners will be a very adequate combination too if thats more suitable price wise

    We are making a few changes to make it easier to see the Bilstein products
    We now have some new categories.
    Individual shock adsorbers
    
    Damper Kits
    
    and Suspension Kits (with bilstein combinations)
    
    I should finish the suspension kit combinations today.
    Dont forget our discount code
    http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=313041
18. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #18 7th July 2010, 14:54

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RAFkev Hmmm. I'm gonna go for group n up front and b8 at the rear. Question now is faulkner springs or gmc?

    well where you buying the group n's and b8's from? As this will dictate which springs to buy ?
19. RAFkev Established Member Joined: Nov 2005 Wirral Posts: 2198

    #19 7th July 2010, 15:23

    From kamracing (before discount) - grp N front + b8 rear + Faulkner springs = £440
    
    From gmc - grp N front + b8 rear + gmc springs = £450
20. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #20 7th July 2010, 15:26

    lol, hard one then.
    
    In all honesty there probably isn't much in it on the front spring rate wise. I'd imagine the GMC are slightly harder but very marginally.
    
    Ride height wise the kam setup will be ever so slightly lower on the front I'd say too, maybe 5mm lower.
    
    Upto you I suppose
21. RAFkev Established Member Joined: Nov 2005 Wirral Posts: 2198

    #21 7th July 2010, 15:33

    Thanks for your advice raunchz.
    
    Think I'll go for kamracing then. Just cos it's cheaper! Lol
    
    And thanks to willsy too.
22. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #22 7th July 2010, 15:44

    Everything is in stock so we can deliver for Friday.
    
    Kev
23. RAFkev Established Member Joined: Nov 2005 Wirral Posts: 2198

    #23 7th July 2010, 15:49

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KamRacing Everything is in stock so we can deliver for Friday. Kev

    My money isn't coming till end of the month. I'm just doing my research now. But don't worry, I will come to you!
24. user_26132 Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2008 Notts Posts: 917 Saxo VTS

    #24 8th July 2010, 17:56

    Can i just Hijack this thread...
    
    Ive been looking at the same setup (for future also).
    
    How low would this take me as im running 16's and ideally want to keep them.. ( i know 16s are probably poo for handling, but i love my Oz's )
25. RAFkev Established Member Joined: Nov 2005 Wirral Posts: 2198

    #25 23rd August 2010, 14:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by OllieVTS Can i just Hijack this thread... Ive been looking at the same setup (for future also). How low would this take me as im running 16's and ideally want to keep them.. ( i know 16s are probably poo for handling, but i love my Oz's )

    I've got this done now.
    
    I'm just on standard vts alloys and there is loads of room in the arch. It's like 35-40mm drop on group n's with 155lb Faulkners.
26. RyanSaxo Established Member Joined: Jul 2007 Midlandzzz Posts: 1613 The 'S

    #26 23rd August 2010, 16:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RAFkev I've got this done now. I'm just on standard vts alloys and there is loads of room in the arch. It's like 35-40mm drop on group n's with 155lb Faulkners.

    a really good set-up isn't it! i love the improvement it made on mine
27. RAFkev Established Member Joined: Nov 2005 Wirral Posts: 2198

    #27 23rd August 2010, 16:56

    I am well impressed! So much confidence in front end grip. It goes exactly where you put it. Not had any understeer yet. Even in the wet.
28. gavin_t Established Member Joined: Jun 2009 Southend, essex Posts: 2079 1999 mk2 VTS EP3 2004 civic type r

    #28 23rd August 2010, 19:28

    Ive got faulkners and billy's awsome choice