Bike carbs

1. user_31021 Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Walsall. West Mids Posts: 736 Venetian red Mk1 VTR on Banded rallye steels

   #1 9th July 2010, 21:19

   Are they actually worth the money or just ended up giving lots of noise but no increase what so ever.
   also is setting them up properly a mine field??
   as after all they arent designed to fuel 1600cc engines, rather than 600cc's.
   any info would be great as i want to go down this route but if it offers no gains ill leave it and just go vts engine.
2. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #2 9th July 2010, 21:21

   just leave them and go for a vts engine
3. user_31021 Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Walsall. West Mids Posts: 736 Venetian red Mk1 VTR on Banded rallye steels

   #3 9th July 2010, 21:24

   short and simple lol.
   so a vtr on bike carbs, would be no quicker than a standard vts? maybe a little bit slower
4. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #4 9th July 2010, 21:35

   depends on other spec
   
   vts engine will be a better all-round solution (emissions, cold start, idle etc.)
5. user_31021 Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Walsall. West Mids Posts: 736 Venetian red Mk1 VTR on Banded rallye steels

   #5 9th July 2010, 21:42

   well the set up the guys selling consists of.
   rallye head ported and polished, its got an uprated cam in it ( i have experienced it, was pretty quick) and ill be using my 1.6 bottom end.
   Ill then look into inlet manis and what carbs are best.
   Ive heard i can run my ecu but would need to disconnect all the sensors off the inlet, the injectors and the coil pack.
6. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #6 9th July 2010, 21:49

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by WestCoastJosh well the set up the guys selling consists of. rallye head ported and polished, its got an uprated cam in it ( i have experienced it, was pretty quick) and ill be using my 1.6 bottom end. Ill then look into inlet manis and what carbs are best. Ive heard i can run my ecu but would need to disconnect all the sensors off the inlet, the injectors and the coil pack.

   how are you going to make the spark plugs 'spark' if you disconnect the coilpack !?
   
   unplugging all the sensors?!
   
   you going to try and run standard ecu
   
   JUST STICK WITH THE VTS ENGINE
7. user_31021 Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Walsall. West Mids Posts: 736 Venetian red Mk1 VTR on Banded rallye steels

   #7 9th July 2010, 22:47

   sorry got carried away there.
   i'd be using a dizzy set up.
   keeping the electric fuel pump and modifying the fuel line onto the carbs, rather than a mechanical pump .
8. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

   #8 9th July 2010, 22:58

   my mate has a 1.4 xsi on bike carbs sounds awesome and is running off a dizzy sometimes hesitates to start but it always starts and idles fine after a couple minutes of driving but drinks sooooo much fuel!
9. user_31021 Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Walsall. West Mids Posts: 736 Venetian red Mk1 VTR on Banded rallye steels

   #9 9th July 2010, 23:02

   did he notice any increase in performance? or was it all noise and increased fuel consumption?
10. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #10 9th July 2010, 23:11

    ye he did notice a difference, well he bought it like that BUT he has owned so many 106's in his time he said it was definitely faster than a standard xsi but it did have 4-2-1, pugsport and it MIGHT have been cammed, he was told it was cammed but he doesnt think it was, i drove it a couple times felt quick but 1.4 xsi's are quicker than vtr's standard anyway, but even just for the noise i think its worth it lol
11. user_31021 Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Walsall. West Mids Posts: 736 Venetian red Mk1 VTR on Banded rallye steels

    #11 9th July 2010, 23:14

    well the head im buying that the carbs will bolt to, is a rallye head which again is supposedly cammed and had been ported and polished, sizeable difference to standard vtr inlet ports.
12. minimanspk Frequent Poster Joined: May 2010 stoke on trent Posts: 880 saxo 1.1 forte 2001 poseidon blue

    #12 9th July 2010, 23:17

    dont do bike carbs bike engine is the way forward
    
    I love bike engined cars
13. toxic Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 772

    #13 9th July 2010, 23:21

    hi there i am looking into carbs for my vtr let us no how it went
14. ryansaxo2010 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2010 chepstow Posts: 138 saxo furio, vts conversion with cat cams and a tur

    #14 9th July 2010, 23:22

    sorry to pinch in here ... i really want to do bike carbs on my vts i have some r6 carbs laying about... what do i need to buy and do to make it work any 1 got step by step instructions ?... i just want the noise more so than the performance lol and fuck the emissions n mot lol fun before praticality
15. LaurenceVTR Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2009 Farnham, Surrey. Posts: 517

    #15 10th July 2010, 04:10

    If your running carbs on a 1600 you want 1000cc bike carbs (e.g. off an R1) you will see a difference but it just makes your car less driveable. It's upto you really just bolt the carbs on and sort out the fueling and just tweek it to get it spot on and your sorted mate, or just save up for itbs
16. PETE-VTR Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 york/ north yorkshire Posts: 1953

    #16 10th July 2010, 12:08

    if you want carbs go to bogg brothers, they will see you right and you'l get change from £800. sorted
17. LaurenceVTR Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2009 Farnham, Surrey. Posts: 517

    #17 10th July 2010, 12:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PETE-VTR if you want carbs go to bogg brothers, they will see you right and you'l get change from £800. sorted

    £800...
18. PETE-VTR Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 york/ north yorkshire Posts: 1953

    #18 11th July 2010, 18:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LaurenceVTR £800...

    why so suprised? if you think thats expensive dont bother looking at proper bodies/boost or chargers as you'l probaly shit yourself
    
    drive in std, drive out carb'd.
19. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #19 11th July 2010, 18:22

    Don't go carb'd - if you want your car to run nicely then go for throttle bodies.
20. PETE-VTR Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 york/ north yorkshire Posts: 1953

    #20 12th July 2010, 11:09

    cars do run very well on carbs when they are setup correctly, otherwise why would they do it?
    
    its just a cheaper alternative to bodies, reason being ALOT of companies can set them up correctly, as appose to trying to find someone to live map your motor for £500 notes that may turn out to be shit! gouldys vts at rs tuning rings a bell!
    
    
    think about what you from it mate, as iv relised do i want to be spending £1000+ on a car that will twist and snap if i ever hit something?? NO
21. user_42892 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 high wycombe Posts: 848 Astra VXR

    #21 12th July 2010, 13:06

    waste of money for not much power gain u would be better turbocharging now that sounds the dogs hearing the turbo spool up like a jet engine then releasing its load with a phhssssssiiiiisss
22. user_10176 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 Ramsey st marys, peterborough Posts: 8288 Saxo's, Corsa (Daily)

    #22 12th July 2010, 13:23

    Haha turbos
    Dnt sound better than bodies and carbs! Haha all fake noise! Ha
    
    On cards mot will be hard to pass, as the fueling cant be contorld aswell.
    
    But they ent to bad, if dnt want to spend to much, but if you could maybe spend abit more maybe throttle bodies would be easier.
23. LaurenceVTR Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2009 Farnham, Surrey. Posts: 517

    #23 13th July 2010, 06:13

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PETE-VTR why so suprised? if you think thats expensive dont bother looking at proper bodies/boost or chargers as you'l probaly shit yourself drive in std, drive out carb'd.

    Shit myself? ahaha I can justify spending 1000s on big power mate, not £800 for some carbs.
    
    You can do it all yourself for around £300 tops depending on how fussy you are about getting it running perfect blah blah.
    
    chill out
24. LaurenceVTR Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2009 Farnham, Surrey. Posts: 517

    #24 13th July 2010, 06:25

    Video of a mate of a mates mk2 on bike carbs
    
    
    
    This is why you need bike carbs in your life
    
    
    
    /End
25. purchon-vts Newbie Joined: Jul 2010 hull Posts: 8 saxo vts , corsa b sri 16v

    #25 13th July 2010, 08:02

    if you was looking bike carbs or a vts mate go vts my mate hu building a 1.6 rallye on bike carbs wishes he did as his build has cost him alot and alot of time sayin dat if u dnt go to a crappy back street garage myt work out ryt for you unlike him
    
    if you have the coin why dnt you rather turbo your block you got now or even get hold of a vts and turbo it power increase would be miles better.
26. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #26 13th July 2010, 09:23

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LaurenceVTR Video of a mate of a mates mk2 on bike carbs This is why you need bike carbs in your life /End

    I don't think they sound that great in the video - throttle bodies have a nicer sound than them.
27. willerbyvts Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2005 Hull United Kingdom (England) Posts: 597 Peugeot 106 - MAX POWER FEBRUARY 2010

    #27 13th July 2010, 10:41

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by purchon-vts if you was looking bike carbs or a vts mate go vts my mate hu building a 1.6 rallye on bike carbs wishes he did as his build has cost him alot and alot of time sayin dat if u dnt go to a crappy back street garage myt work out ryt for you unlike him if you have the coin why dnt you rather turbo your block you got now or even get hold of a vts and turbo it power increase would be miles better.

    wonder who your talking about
    
    carbs are WIN
28. purchon-vts Newbie Joined: Jul 2010 hull Posts: 8 saxo vts , corsa b sri 16v

    #28 13th July 2010, 18:33

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by willerbyvts wonder who your talking about carbs are WIN

    i dont no sum one hu aint drivin his car with bike carbs yet hahaha dodgy garage i wonder
29. PETE-VTR Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 york/ north yorkshire Posts: 1953

    #29 14th July 2010, 19:48

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LaurenceVTR Shit myself? ahaha I can justify spending 1000s on big power mate, not £800 for some carbs. You can do it all yourself for around £300 tops depending on how fussy you are about getting it running perfect blah blah. chill out

    yes mate 800. drive in, drive out. job done.
    
    to buy everything and get the ignition map will cost more then 300 mate,
    
    -megajolt around 200, ebay
    -r1 carbs around 90, ebay
    
    theres 290 spent already...blah blah your dreaming if you think you can do it for *300 tops*.
30. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #30 14th July 2010, 19:55

    Wow the ability to write in english seems lost by many in this thread.
    
    I guess it says alot about the levels of retardation these days
    
    Personally i woulnt fit bike carbs or bike bodies, they are not as 'bolt on' as many people seem to think, and they ignore things like the throttle linkages etc..
    
    And for the record theres a big reason that there was a big deal made about Fuel injection, because it is streaks ahead of an old carb set up