vts conversion. aditional gear

24th April 2006, 18:32

now iv done a search on the site about vts conversions(from vtr to vts) and i can only find topics that tell you the main things you need i.e. engine, gearbox, ecu, key and wiring loom but what other bits do you have to change? like what parts of the exhaust system? obviously the manifold but how far back would you need to change and also things like are the engine mounts in the same place. just little nitty gritty bits really? and also are there any extra parts you need if its a 106 GTI engine rather than a vts?

Please be a help people. iv done all the searches i can take!

also i got an insurance quote for when its done. il be 20 with 0 no claims. 3 yrs experiance. and they quoted me £1820. is this any good?

24th April 2006, 18:52

i done a conversion form vtr to vts about 4 months ago and all i did woz drop in the vts lump with gearbox ecu and loom ect and that woz it works fine

24th April 2006, 19:02

really! was it off the same mk as your car? like if yours was mk1 was it from a mk1 vts?

24th April 2006, 19:21

if you have mk1 saxo and you get a mk1 saxo single plug ecu and loom its a straight swap (Assuming you have the key etc) if you use the 106gti stuff on a saxo you need to cut and chop wires as the harness is differnet, if its 3 plug to 3 plug it should be ok if its 3-1 etc its complete rewire.

24th April 2006, 19:21

yes mate mine woz a mk1 vtr r reg and i used a mk1 r reg vts got it from ebay £500 i think its the best way to go if you want more power well thats my opinion

24th April 2006, 20:32

thank you so much for your help. whats your insurance like s4xovts? how old are you and u got no claims?

cheers
Dan

24th April 2006, 20:40

im 22 mate with 2 years no claims. i aint declared it yet but i pay £950 for the vtr so when i do declared it witch will be soon lol

i thinks its guna kill be

24th April 2006, 21:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by s4xovts

im 22 mate with 2 years no claims. i aint declared it yet but i pay £950 for the vtr so when i do declared it witch will be soon lol

i thinks its guna kill be

so u been driving 4 months with out tellign insurance company that sits a vts not a vtr ummm very cleaver!!

24th April 2006, 21:10

I was fucking around with insurance qoutes on a vts at 20,0 no cliams,and 1year driving on my dads insurance it was goin to be around 1500 with a few little mods like lowering and shite.That was with bell.co.uk

24th April 2006, 21:22

no mate i aint bin driving it about iv bin haveing work done on it why declare it if the works not done?

24th April 2006, 21:52

Why declare it at all !!! SAXOs are known for crumpling like fuck on impact. Fuck the car you'll just be glad to be alive.

My OPINION anyway

Insurance is a skank anyway its just another way to get more money off you. I pay £890 comp im 20 with 2years NCB

24th April 2006, 21:59

lmao

true

25th April 2006, 13:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratty

if you have mk1 saxo and you get a mk1 saxo single plug ecu and loom its a straight swap (Assuming you have the key etc) if you use the 106gti stuff on a saxo you need to cut and chop wires as the harness is differnet, if its 3 plug to 3 plug it should be ok if its 3-1 etc its complete rewire.

i no i might sound thick but when people talk about the "key" what is it refering to? what is the key? and what does it do?

also s4xovts you said it was a straight swap. did all the exhaust (manifold to backbox) link up and fit straight on to the vts engine? also is the whole thing a hard job?

25th April 2006, 14:45

they key is exactly as it says, the key that goes in the ign barrel, on mk1s with transponder ie it has a round plastic transponder around the ign barrel under the cowling that picks up the signal chip in the key, sends it to the black immob box, which then sends an unlock signal to the ecu assuming all values match, without it you dont have an unlocked ECU, unless you get one.

if you dont have a VTS aftermarket manifold you will need std vts manifold and downpipe which will mate to your existing exhaust. Its not hard just fidly and time consuming.

25th April 2006, 14:45

i think ratty is referring to the transponder key. i woz luky when i got the vts engine that the ecu woz already unlocked. and as for the exhaust i got the manifold and downpipe with the engine but yeh it bolts together nicely.
no i dont think the job is hard if you have the rite tools for it. hope this helps mate

25th April 2006, 17:44

i dont understand.
So your saying i need the key from the donor car and when i put it into the engnition it will work and start the engine? sorry if i sound thick but iv never looked into engine conversions before now!
it doesnt affect my keyfob workin to unlock the car or owt stupid does it?

and also s4xovts when you said about it not being hard is it pretty straight forward gettin all the right wires to the right sockets?

25th April 2006, 18:15

i dont know to much about the transponder key side of it because my car had the keypad immobiliser. and yeh it woz pretty straight forward for me because both cars woz from the same year it woz just the case of plugging the loom in. all the plugs are colour coded

25th April 2006, 18:36

yer mine has a keyhode immobiliser 2! its a 97 vtr

25th April 2006, 19:01

does the donor car also have a keypad immobiliser?

25th April 2006, 19:40

im not sure. iv not got the engine yet. i wanted to know what i need before i go buying things

25th April 2006, 19:44

ohh rite do you know if its got every thing with it ie gearbox. loom.ecu?

25th April 2006, 19:59

right...

if your car currently has the keypad (where you put the code in to unlock the ecu) in order to start the car then read on...

if your car doesnt have the above and uses a key (same key that opens the door, boot etc), a transponder around the ign barrel, a black immob box behind the glovebox and a single plug ecu, then you will need all these items off the donor car, ie KEY, transponder around the barrel, black immob box and ECU + Complete Single plug ecu wiring harness to match the engine you get.

If your ecu is locked (ie has not been sent away to be unlocked or came straight off the donor car) then you will need to get it unlocked, as it needs the said items above to work, if you get it unlocked then remove the black immob box behind the glove box BEFORE you connect the new ecu as it will lock again.

IF its a single plug car and you have a 3plug ecu etc, you need to completly re-wire the whole car.

same if its 3plug and 1 plug, and i think you have to do a little wiring on 3plug to 3plug, only single plug to single plug is plug and play if you have a multipoint injection car.

If you have the keypad you MUST get the ecu unlocked and then just connect it up.

25th April 2006, 21:32

right so with mine being the model with a keykode immobiliser, i just need to get my ecu unlocked then evrything else is a straight forward conversion?

how much to get it unlocked?

and if i put the engine i then took it to a garage do you think they would do the electrics for me and how much do you recon it would cost?
a/ for the whole conversion at a garage
b/ just to sort the wiring if i drop the engine in?

25th April 2006, 22:15

you need to get teh VTS ecu unlocked (crossie was selling one on SSC for about £50 i think)

if its all single plug it should just plug in and work (with unlocked ecu) otherwise you will have to a little bit of wiring, but this would be simple things ie speedo, water temp, power to ecu etc only about 5 wires or so.

26th April 2006, 14:39

cheers ratty. does anyone know how much it costs to get an ecu unlocked by someone?

26th April 2006, 16:22

try this mate

THE ECU DOCTOR

26th April 2006, 16:35

excellent! thanks so much!

27th April 2006, 17:37

does everything you buy have to be from the same car for it to ust drop in and work? obviously the ecu will still need unlocking.

there are allways ldz of 106 gti engines about but i cant be arsed with the re-wiring so would it work if i had the gti engine with a vts ecu, wiring loom & key?

27th April 2006, 20:07

any engine but bare in mind that some of the sensors might have different connectors on them so you might have to change them, or get a vts engine + loom

27th April 2006, 21:00

be a lot easier to get all off a VTS!

27th April 2006, 23:55

you do not need the key from donor car at all, just make sure the imobilser box is diconeected from circuit on installation, if donor car had not been demobilised a company in manchester can unlock a ecu for 15 quid

28th April 2006, 13:38

if the immobiliser box is dissconnected then my keykode immobiliser wont work will it? no security!

iv p.m'd you dirt_geezer

28th April 2006, 14:26

no mate i have dissconnected mine just get aftermarket alarm

28th April 2006, 15:37

IF I GOT THE ENGINE, UNLOCKED ECU AND WIRING LOOM CAN I USE MY KEY STILL OR DO I NEED THE DONOR KEY?

28th April 2006, 19:42

dont need key da da!