2.5k - Which route to take ?

3rd August 2010, 21:00

Alright so next month i will have about 2-2.5k to spend on some serious fun for the rallye, I bought a 16v engine and its in so hoping now when i save the money should i either go the turbo route.. charger or good ole' bodies?

Car will be going to wallace performance in aberdeen for whichever, another question is whats the price of getting the car charged - labour & mapping? I'm guessing i would be lucky to get all in and charged for 2.5k?

Now what sort of gains are we expecting from a 120bhp engine?

Bodies and cams - 160ish?
Turbo 200ish?
Charger about 200 aswell?

I know the turbo will provide alot of torque and will sound awesome so really wouldnt mind shopping around for some second hand turbo parts,

Help me out with the budget and what route to take,

Ecu - £500 so we're down to 2k.

Cheers.

( Should i just sell the rallye and buy a 172/182 ?

)

3rd August 2010, 21:03

You won't be able to supercharge for anything near that budget including labour!!

Ecu - £500
Mapping - £500

Leaves you £1500. Should be able to squeeze cams and bodies and labour within that.

Job done

3rd August 2010, 21:03

Bodies FTW!

May not give the biggest gains but makes you smile from ear to ear when you nail the loud pedal!

James

3rd August 2010, 21:04

+1 to the above..
you cant beat the sound of bodies imo..
sooooo nice!

3rd August 2010, 21:06

I don't think you could turbo it for £1500 including labour (then mapping ontop)

Unless you did it yourself, you're pretty limited to NA

3rd August 2010, 21:06

Which bodies are best suited to the gti engine? Which ecu has the most mapping points for the best gains possible?

3rd August 2010, 21:07

^ Definetely be able to turbo it for 2.5k if i shop around , could do a bulk of it myself then just get it mapped.

3rd August 2010, 21:08

Noooooooooooo don't sell the rallye!

But 2k for a T or SC conversion is very very optimistic.

Bodies is the way forward for that cash. 160 to 180bhp depending on condition of engine, map, etc.

You could have a mint bodied engine or a very ropey T/SC engine.

Plus bodies sound amazing.

My opinion by the way.

3rd August 2010, 21:09

stroker kit

3rd August 2010, 21:09

The only Ecu you could get for £500 is predator, 16x16 ve table.

Omex, data and emerald is normally around £500 for Ecu then around £250 for a loom. Then mapping ontop so nearing around £1200 for the Ecu fitted and mapped up

3rd August 2010, 21:10

im guna say sell the rally get a 172, buy a premium air filter of a reno scenic (the big huge one) get it remaped and i promise you it will go like shit !!!!!!
my mate has one and fcuk me it goes so fcuking quick hes got decat and 2 1/2 exhaust with that scenic air filter (i think thats what it is) and remaped, goes 145+
good look with choice haha

3rd August 2010, 21:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krys_23

Which bodies are best suited to the gti engine? Which ecu has the most mapping points for the best gains possible?

Gotta go for the predator i think. Showing some great results with bodied cars.

3rd August 2010, 21:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krys_23

^ Definetely be able to turbo it for 2.5k if i shop around , could do a bulk of it myself then just get it mapped.

Say £1000 for Ecu and mapping minimum.

Then around £250 in misc parts (oil cooler, gauges etc)

That leaves £1250 to buy turbo, manifold, downpipe, boost pipes, then misc parts to complete.

I'd be suprised if you could do it for that tbh. You might just be able to second hand but then you risk compatibility/clearance issues.

Andy (Predator) does a drive in drive out turbo conversion for near £3k I think

3rd August 2010, 21:12

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=326213

post 6! have a look, youve popped up in the thread in the last page or so, so u may have seen it already..
but andy (luthor1) does a turbo inc all parts and labour for £2,800..
and sum1 on here has had it done and was very happy with it, and he says does a bodies package for around similar price!!
be a very good option imo!

3rd August 2010, 21:13

ATPower D2H bodies are your best bet on a budget (even if not on a budget tbh). They're a fair bit cheaper and 100x easier to fit than Jenveys, if you're any good with a spanner and have some knowledge of what you're doing you can pretty much fit them yourself - therefore cutting down on costs.

You won't get H/C pistons or solid lifters on that budget, so you're pretty limited to PH3/708 sort of territory with regards to the cams.

Chuck a Predator in there which is easily good enough for most setups, and that's pretty much your standard 'budget' iTB setup.

3rd August 2010, 21:14

Saxo turbo conversions are very overpriced in general. I seen a 2nd hand turbo kit for my civic for £350 lol

IMO mate bodies/cams on the rallye is your best bet or just buy an already turbo car

3rd August 2010, 21:16

ATPower bodies aren't easier to fit than Jenveys ! Don't know how you can say that!

3rd August 2010, 21:22

Perhaps not if the Jenveys are fully assembled, but as John (GMC) said a while back, it takes a good 1-2 hours to prepare all the bits for fitting - which in todays "How quickly can you fit these and have my car back to me" just isn't practical, hence why he now uses the ATPower setup on the iTB builds.

Compare that to the ATPower which is basically bolt off, bolt on - extend and modify some bits from the standard system and away you go.

Maybe it's just an opinion thing, but they most definately are cheaper, and for very little difference in quality, which 99% of people on here (being students/young) would be high on the priority list.

3rd August 2010, 21:25

The dcoe jenvey setup with a Sandy brown manifold is a piece of cake to fit.

I would be willing to put money that the atpower setup takes a good 1-2hours to fit. I found them far from easy to fit

nothing to difficult but just fiddly to get the linkage setup.

I don't think one setup is easier than the other - it's just part of a sales pitch

3rd August 2010, 21:29

Btw I'm currently running an ATPower TB and is made very well!! The quality is superb

3rd August 2010, 21:32

Hmmm maybe your right. Never fitted the Jenveys myself, just heard numerous times that the kit is a complete arse to fit (I don't think this was with the usage of Sandy's inlet though).

Swings and roundabouts tbh, if you're fitting iTB's it's never 'easy' anyway - it's something that needs and should be done properly. Either the Jenveys or the ATPower bodies will be great, however when on a tight budget as the OP is, I stand by my words that the ATPower bodies are more suitable.

Compromise?

3rd August 2010, 21:33

The actual bolting on / off of the bodies is no different, but things like aftermarket fuel rail/ fittings and wiring in a tps make it a bit more of a job with jenvey. Doesnt mean its not worth it...

3rd August 2010, 21:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Dan-

Hmmm maybe your right. Never fitted the Jenveys myself, just heard numerous times that the kit is a complete arse to fit (I don't think this was with the usage of Sandy's inlet though).

Swings and roundabouts tbh, if you're fitting iTB's it's never 'easy' anyway - it's something that needs and should be done properly. Either the Jenveys or the ATPower bodies will be great, however when on a tight budget as the OP is, I stand by my words that the ATPower bodies are more suitable.

Compromise?

Compromise

but I'd go for a jenvey kit. I see what you're saying though.

3rd August 2010, 21:37

Cheers for all the inputs, never ever drove a car on bodies or heard one in the flesh so wouldnt mind ticking that off my ' to do list ' and would be very fun and reliable if done properly i guess

3rd August 2010, 21:44

Depends on what sort of power delivery you want? You can always save up a bit more if you go boosted

3rd August 2010, 21:55

Thats true man, hopefully the second contract will go ahead and i will still have my job for at least another 6 month of the contract so could save an extra 6 month and just go crazy with the cash

3rd August 2010, 21:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by RAFkev

Noooooooooooo don't sell the rallye!

But 2k for a T or SC conversion is very very optimistic.

Bodies is the way forward for that cash. 160 to 180bhp depending on condition of engine, map, etc.

You could have a mint bodied engine or a very ropey T/SC engine.

Plus bodies sound amazing.

My opinion by the way.

never get 180 on stnadard pistons with bodies dude... max for what he going to do it 160 max!!!!

as with 1.5k you will get cams 350 quid new followers 150 quisish bodies about 600-1000 quidish

so just be bodies and cams.... ph3 or 708 or pipers cams... max will be 150-160ish

3rd August 2010, 22:01

2.5k on a saxo engine? you must be on some of that meow meow?

3rd August 2010, 22:01

Be about as quick as a 172/182 and sound better too, could be a plan .. always wanted bodies under ze hood.

3rd August 2010, 22:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

2.5k on a saxo engine? you must be on some of that meow meow?

That was last weekend .. shh

lol you read the white text ..

3rd August 2010, 22:02

at bodies are not as easy to fit as made out, as they come in two parts.. so have to get it lines up... it not too hard... but i would say all bodies are just easy as the others... all about planning and lonking at the job in hand...

3rd August 2010, 22:39

I would sell up and get a faster car.

A throttle bodied 16v will still be slow.

3rd August 2010, 22:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by E3D

stroker kit

+1
Will be awesome. Then turbo or cam it

3rd August 2010, 23:59

for that money, id say you could buy a set of cams, second hand tbs, used ecu and get it all fitted and mapped - just keep your eye out on here and 106 owners

will probably have enough left over for an s1 rallye box too

4th August 2010, 00:06

sell u my AT Power throttlebody setup and newman ph3 cams and standard remapped ecu for 1500 m8

will throw in stainless fuel rail too and braided fuel lines

4th August 2010, 00:09

^^^^ something exactly like that!^^^

4th August 2010, 01:15

Jenveys aren't too hard to fit. Take an hour or so to put together but I enjoyed that, it was just like a very expensive Meccano set. You will need to get a vacuum line fabricated into the inlet but other then that it was easy to construct and balance.

6th August 2010, 17:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by raunchz

Say £1000 for Ecu and mapping minimum.

Then around £250 in misc parts (oil cooler, gauges etc)

That leaves £1250 to buy turbo, manifold, downpipe, boost pipes, then misc parts to complete.

I'd be suprised if you could do it for that tbh. You might just be able to second hand but then you risk compatibility/clearance issues.

Andy (Predator) does a drive in drive out turbo conversion for near £3k I think

You could turbo on a budget for less, depends how he intends to spend his pennies, and whether he will carry out all the work.

But too achieve this he will need to know what he wants/needs and be able to get a few bargains! Finding parts at the right prices is the hardest bit, but if he goes second hand on turbo/intercooler etc. he could get some bargains.

6th August 2010, 17:58

Could just buy a faster car altogether ??

7th August 2010, 13:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Saxo_VTS-

sell u my AT Power throttlebody setup and newman ph3 cams and standard remapped ecu for 1500 m8

will throw in stainless fuel rail too and braided fuel lines

bargain, if had the cash would snap that up..