Vtr or vts?? Help needed to decide

  1. Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 279
    #1
    Hi all i am going to take my vtr off the road soon and do some work on the engine as needs a gearbox aswell. I was wondering is it worth me putting big end bearings new head gasket etc or shall i just buy a vts with lower mileage on. Really cant make up my mind love the look of the vts engine but have done so much to my vtrs exterior and interior so dont want to change cars just wondered what everyone else would do cheers
  2. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #2
    VTS pwns VTR.... simple as that. Way more fun to drive.
  3. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #3
    if you want to keep your vtr because you like the way it looks and you want a vts engine then just do an engine swap..... seams like a no brainer lol
  4. Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 279
    #4
    How much hassle is it to swap the engines is it just the loom ecu and engine oe do i need new mounts aswell or anything else for that matter?
  5. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #5
    the very BASIC things are
    -engine
    -loom
    -ecu
    -top rad hose

    the vtr gearbox, rad, fan and mounts are fine

    and if you have some spare money i'd do it properly and fit the following
    -vts rad and fan
    -bottom rad hose (or just simply cut the vtr hose down by a couple inches)
    -new cambelt kit including the water pump and aux belt
    -give the engine a good service (filters and fluids)

    and if you really wanna go a bit more "all out"
    -reconditioned gearbox (vts for good mpg, or a rallye/xsi/1.1 box for good acceleration but crap mpg and lower top end)
    -new drive shafts
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  6. Infrequent Poster Joined: Jul 2010 Salisbury, Wiltshire Posts: 155 W Reg Saxo VTS
    #6
    After driving both, VTS is definitely my choice, but it does also drink more petrol
  7. Established Member Joined: May 2010 leicester Posts: 1446 Clio 182 Inferno
    #7
    id love a vts engine in my vtr but having the time and funds to do it is a pain , would miss the low end power from the vtr tho, dont the vts have a shite low end ?
  8. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2003 United Kingdom (England) Posts: 7064
    #8
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SnakeVTR View Post
    id love a vts engine in my vtr but having the time and funds to do it is a pain , would miss the low end power from the vtr tho, dont the vts have a shite low end ?

    Nope, S has more torque & a closer gearbox with a higher rev limit!
  9. L-plater Joined: Aug 2010 Teesside Posts: 84 Ph2 VTS
    #9
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jeffchiz View Post
    and if you really wanna go a bit more "all out"
    -reconditioned gearbox (vts for good mpg, or a rallye/xsi/1.1 box for good acceleration but crap mpg and lower top end)
    Scratch the 1.1 box out of there mate, i have one fitted to my S and still manage to get mine off the clock, i estimate about 145 before its had it, the mpg isnt too bad either, sits around 3250 at 70mph, they like a drink anyways so you wont notice it at the pumps.

    TU5J4 all the way!!
  10. Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2008 northampton Posts: 999 saxo vts
    #10
    vts all the way. had both and vts out does vtr by miles and will put a smile on your face a a big frown on the driver of the car that tries it. 16v all the way
  11. Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 253
    #11
    im stuck as to do the swap too, got a bare engine and want to start buying parts but due to work cant afford to have my car off the road for more than a weekend and would struggle to do it myself
  12. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2008 Deeside Posts: 2514 Focus RS 400BHP
    #12
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ashpearse View Post
    still manage to get mine off the clock, i estimate about 145 before its had it
    LOLOLOLOL

    heard it all now
  13. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 Swansea Posts: 4946 Bianca White Peugeot 106 S2 Rallye, Saxo VTS
    #13
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SnakeVTR View Post
    id love a vts engine in my vtr but having the time and funds to do it is a pain , would miss the low end power from the vtr tho, dont the vts have a shite low end ?
    The VTS feels like absolutely fuck all until you are above 4,000-4,500 rpm. As peak torque is at something like 5,200 rpm. Whereas in the R it's at around 3,000. So there is a huge difference in feel when low down.

    My rallye has a lot more torque low down in the range than my S did. So when you're driving you don't have to rev the tits off the 8 valve to have a bit of a play. But the 16v still wins hands down.
  14. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #14
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ashpearse View Post
    Scratch the 1.1 box out of there mate, i have one fitted to my S and still manage to get mine off the clock, i estimate about 145 before its had it, the mpg isnt too bad either, sits around 3250 at 70mph, they like a drink anyways so you wont notice it at the pumps.

    TU5J4 all the way!!
    lol... i had my vts at about 120 and the pistons were pretty much dancing on the bonnet, no way have you got 145 from a 1.1 box lol even a vts with a vtr box wouldnt do 145
  15. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 Swansea Posts: 4946 Bianca White Peugeot 106 S2 Rallye, Saxo VTS
    #15
    The 5th gear on the 1.1 box is longer than the VTS anyway. Or at least the "common" 1.1 box. Apparently there are others with different final drives but I know nothing of them.
  16. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #16
    well in 5th doing 70mph my vts with a 1.1 box was showing 4k rpm, and now with my vtr box at 70mph i sit at 3krpm, so thats a difference of 1k rpm so my 1.1 final drive must have been shorter
  17. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 Swansea Posts: 4946 Bianca White Peugeot 106 S2 Rallye, Saxo VTS
    #17
    The VTR and 1.1 box gear ratios are pretty much identical! It's not worth arguing over the difference. The final drives are totally different though.

    1.1 box on 195/45/15 with a 7250 limit will do 144.4 at the limit in fifth. The VTR box will do 163.6. All in theory of course.
  18. Established Member Joined: Aug 2009 Weston Super Mare Posts: 1298
    #18
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jeffchiz View Post
    if you want to keep your vtr because you like the way it looks and you want a vts engine then just do an engine swap..... seams like a no brainer lol
    +1
  19. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2008 Rotherham Posts: 4614 Black mk2 vts
    #19
    Vts any day
  20. L-plater Joined: Dec 2007 GREENOCK Posts: 74 saxo vtr
    #20
    Dies the vts cost a lot more than the vtr to insure ? Just curious
  21. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card
    #21
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 2K7-JWA-2K7 View Post
    Dies the vts cost a lot more than the vtr to insure ? Just curious
    Depends on the person and your circumstances mate. £160ish more for me think it was.
  22. L-plater Joined: Dec 2007 GREENOCK Posts: 74 saxo vtr
    #22
    Dies the vts cost a lot more than the vtr to insure ? Just curious
  23. Newbie Joined: Jul 2010 Basingstoke Posts: 9 SAXO westcost with VTS 16v
    #23
    if u dont know what ur doing dont do the engine change or get some one to do it for u but dont think that will be cheap i started a westy 16v and in the end called it a day and went and brought a vts or get a vts the same colour and just swap everything easy as that
  24. L-plater Joined: Dec 2007 GREENOCK Posts: 74 saxo vtr
    #24
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by db_sax View Post
    Depends on the person and your circumstances mate. £160ish more for me think it was.
    Cheers m8 al look into it after a get a years ncb hopefully of the vtr gutted was at 9 months ncb with ma corsa n siold it piece of sh*t n a cudnt stayy with the same company they were wanting mental prices for the vtr.
  25. Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 Manchester Posts: 191 mk2 saxo VTS blue
    #25
    i should imagine that the VTS is much more on insurance than the VTR seeing as though the VTS group is like 14? and the VTR is group 8? (i dont know if this is right but near enough )
  26. Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Edinburgh Posts: 1671 Mk2 VTR
    #26
    Do you want go pay 220 for a years tax or for 6 months that's the question ?
  27. Newbie Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 24
    #27
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jeffchiz View Post
    lol... i had my vts at about 120 and the pistons were pretty much dancing on the bonnet, no way have you got 145 from a 1.1 box lol even a vts with a vtr box wouldnt do 145
    haha i bet he did ur vts must be shit cause iv had 2 vtr's they hit 125 nay bother
  28. Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2008 Glasgow Posts: 565 Saxo Vts Mk1 1997
    #28
    Get a vts much more fun to drive. insurance for me was about £150 difference between a vtr and a vts
  29. L-plater Joined: Nov 2009 isle of wight Posts: 94 mk1 fiesta s.s 106 gti rs2000 escort van fiesta
    #29
    vtr is slow and your get bored quickly if your looking for a fast car. dont waste your time tuning a vtr when you get better gains from tuning a vts. the vts is more exspecive then a 106 gti when it comes to insurance but power is the same. if you want a slow car with huge ugly bodykit then get a vtr or furio because once you have told your insurance about the mods and half a disco in the boot it costs alot.