she wont start :(

1. nicole_ Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2009 Newcastle Posts: 6713 VTS & EK9

   #1 19th August 2010, 12:42

   think it might be immobilised as fuel pump isnt priming
   
   does anyone have a picture of the immobiliser box, where it is and what it looks like as we cant see it anywhere?
   any other reasons you could think of why she wont start?
2. user_37194 Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 rotherham Posts: 1832 Be scirocco, full on 03plate track spec Saxo

   #2 19th August 2010, 12:44

   have you tryed resetting the fuel cut off?
3. craig180p Yorkshire Joined: Dec 2005 West Yorkshire Posts: 31079 1989 Golf GTi Clipper

   #3 19th August 2010, 12:52

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by mark1311 have you tryed resetting the fuel cut off?

   This.
   
   The immobiliser box is under the passenger side of the dash (if you mean transponder)
   
   If you have a spare saxo, start it up, remove said box whilst running then try yours with that transponder. If that doesn't work it's something else (probably electrical rather than mechanical)
4. nicole_ Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2009 Newcastle Posts: 6713 VTS & EK9

   #4 19th August 2010, 12:55

   weve got two spare saxos but both arnt running, found the boxes on the others but cant find it on this one lol
   will speak to ben about the fuel thing
   and i think theres a few sensors still unplugged but theyre just headlight and fan so not gunna stop it from running, probably is electrical :/
5. craig180p Yorkshire Joined: Dec 2005 West Yorkshire Posts: 31079 1989 Golf GTi Clipper

   #5 19th August 2010, 12:57

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by nicole_ weve got two spare saxos but both arnt running, found the boxes on the others but cant find it on this one lol will speak to ben about the fuel thing and i think theres a few sensors still unplugged but theyre just headlight and fan so not gunna stop it from running, probably is electrical :/

   That might be the issue. Have you tried fitting a transopnder to see if that makes a difference?
6. user_32481 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2009 Milk 'n' Beans (Milton Keynes, MK2) Posts: 3243 MK1 Trackin S engined R, 112.5 ATW, approx 135 ATF

   #6 19th August 2010, 19:40

   Sorted it yet Nicole? when was the last time u used it?
7. nicole_ Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2009 Newcastle Posts: 6713 VTS & EK9

   #7 20th August 2010, 07:31

   havent tried the transponder craig, ill get ben to have a look.
   gunna check it all over again tonight
   just to confirm, is the fuel cut off switch meant to be up or pressed in?
   
   she doesnt do anything if you go to turn the key normally, but if you hold it down it turns over but wont fire :/
   
   and the oil lights on?
8. craig180p Yorkshire Joined: Dec 2005 West Yorkshire Posts: 31079 1989 Golf GTi Clipper

   #8 20th August 2010, 10:28

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by nicole_ havent tried the transponder craig, ill get ben to have a look. gunna check it all over again tonight just to confirm, is the fuel cut off switch meant to be up or pressed in? she doesnt do anything if you go to turn the key normally, but if you hold it down it turns over but wont fire :/ and the oil lights on?

   The fuel pump switch should be pushed down.

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9. Lilreg999 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 898

   #9 20th August 2010, 11:17

   Ignition switch??
10. nicole_ Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2009 Newcastle Posts: 6713 VTS & EK9

    #10 20th August 2010, 12:55

    yup fuel switch was down
    no fuel or spark
11. Paulp Super Moderator Joined: Aug 2007 Lancashire Posts: 14256 Astra VXR + 1989 Astra GTE

    #11 20th August 2010, 12:58

    Fixed then?
    
    I'm 75% sure that the fuel pump would still prime if it was the immobilisor.
12. nicole_ Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2009 Newcastle Posts: 6713 VTS & EK9

    #12 20th August 2010, 13:00

    nope it doesnt work,
    theres no spark or fuel at all,
    battery has full charge
    everything looks to be plugged in
    think the earths have been checked
    dont think its immobiliser either now lol
13. craig180p Yorkshire Joined: Dec 2005 West Yorkshire Posts: 31079 1989 Golf GTi Clipper

    #13 20th August 2010, 13:03

    Try a new fuel pump or relay?
14. Colin Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2006 Banbury Posts: 4623 Saxo Rally Car Evo 6

    #14 20th August 2010, 13:05

    That relay under the ECU can be very hit and miss, try unplugging it and cleaning it or simply wacking it against some bodywork.
    
    This relay stops the pump priming. Always had this problem, car would cut out when driving.

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15. Paulp Super Moderator Joined: Aug 2007 Lancashire Posts: 14256 Astra VXR + 1989 Astra GTE

    #15 20th August 2010, 13:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nicole_ nope it doesnt work, theres no spark or fuel at all, battery has full charge everything looks to be plugged in think the earths have been checked dont think its immobiliser either now lol

    I would double check all the earths if i was you.

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16. nicole_ Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2009 Newcastle Posts: 6713 VTS & EK9

    #16 20th August 2010, 13:38

    will look at all the things you guys have mentioned, thanks youre all so helpful lol
    could it possibly the ecu locked itself??
17. Paulp Super Moderator Joined: Aug 2007 Lancashire Posts: 14256 Astra VXR + 1989 Astra GTE

    #17 20th August 2010, 13:50

    Not really, as if its the ecu that came with the car it would match the immobilsor, ignition etc.
    
    Might sound stupid, but someone made a thread on here yesterday saying their car wouldn't start and it turned out to have no petrol in. Funny thing was he blamed the car for it and said he's getting rid of it because he sick of all the problems. Head>Desk lol.
18. nicole_ Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2009 Newcastle Posts: 6713 VTS & EK9

    #18 20th August 2010, 13:52

    ahaa lol oh no im not that silly it definately has petrol
    
    the engines come out my old westcoast, and gone into my vtr, using the vtr loom etc, so i thought the ecu could have locked in that process?
19. Paulp Super Moderator Joined: Aug 2007 Lancashire Posts: 14256 Astra VXR + 1989 Astra GTE

    #19 20th August 2010, 14:03

    So you're putting the westcoast engine in the vtr? I'm guessing you're using the westcoast ECU? The vtr loom should be fine if its the same year.
    
    When you removed the westcoast ECU did you unplug the immobilisor box with the engine running?
20. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #20 20th August 2010, 20:22

    if youve done this the vtr imob box would have locked the westie ecu if it wasnt unplugged prior to starting the engine up after conversion, it starts and runs the first time after conversion but locks the ecu and wont start the second time
    
    this sound like it may be your prob?