Fitting a vtr engine

1. will22 Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 hertford Posts: 584 1999 1.4 silver westcoast

   #1 2nd September 2010, 13:08

   thinking about fitting a vtr engine to my westcoast what do i have to do to fit a mk2 vtr engine
2. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

   #2 2nd September 2010, 13:11

   Only going as far as a VTR due to insurance or running costs?
   
   If not then may aswell do a VTS as its the same effort as a VTR.
   
   All you need though is a VTR engine, unlocked ECU and loom. Take your old out and put your new in!
   
   1 thing that id do though which is just personaly preference now is to use a loom and ECU of the same manufacturer as what your replacing. So either Bosche or Magnetti
3. will22 Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 hertford Posts: 584 1999 1.4 silver westcoast

   #3 2nd September 2010, 13:16

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by db_sax Only going as far as a VTR due to insurance or running costs? If not then may aswell do a VTS as its the same effort as a VTR. All you need though is a VTR engine, unlocked ECU and loom. Take your old out and put your new in! 1 thing that id do though which is just personaly preference now is to use a loom and ECU of the same manufacturer as what your replacing. So either Bosche or Magnetti

   oh right i just thought vtr was less hassle but i might have to read up on it abit more
4. devilsadvocate Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2006 Maidstone Posts: 8210 Golf TDI

   #4 2nd September 2010, 13:19

   To be honest, I think you will end up spending more on the conversion and additional insurance costs than just buying a VTR in the first place....
5. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

   #5 2nd September 2010, 13:23

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by will22 oh right i just thought vtr was less hassle but i might have to read up on it abit more

   You can use your exsiting parts for the VTS.
   
   However can get:
   
   Top rad hose
   VTS Rad
   VTS Rad Fan
   Fuel Return
6. will22 Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 hertford Posts: 584 1999 1.4 silver westcoast

   #6 2nd September 2010, 13:24

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by devilsadvocate To be honest, I think you will end up spending more on the conversion and additional insurance costs than just buying a VTR in the first place....

   i dn u can pick up a vtr engine for like 150 and cant imagine insurance will be much more just my westcoast has done 103 000 and i dont think il get if i sold it but apart from the mileage the car is in good condition so i think a conversion is worth it
7. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

   #7 2nd September 2010, 13:24

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by devilsadvocate To be honest, I think you will end up spending more on the conversion and additional insurance costs than just buying a VTR in the first place....

   £400 for a conversion + insurance and tax band
   
   Or
   
   Sell vtr with mods already on, or spend more £ on taking the mods off and returning to standard. Then selling the car, buying a vts and refitting your mods back on. New car may have problems that need sorting where as he knows his westie is mechanically sound at the moment.
   
   Id rather just change an engine in a day.
8. will22 Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 hertford Posts: 584 1999 1.4 silver westcoast

   #8 2nd September 2010, 13:26

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by db_sax £400 for a conversion + insurance and tax band Or Sell vtr with mods already on, or spend more £ on taking the mods off and returning to standard. Then selling the car, buying a vts and refitting your mods back on. New car may have problems that need sorting where as he knows his westie is mechanically sound at the moment. Id rather just change an engine in a day.

   yeah thats what i was thinking
9. mahon L-plater Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 58

   #9 2nd September 2010, 17:41

   2bh i changed my 1.1 to vtr and now really want a vts, so i think you will regret spending money on vtr and not just paying extra and putting a vts in. my opinion
10. kc-saxo Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Edinburgh Posts: 1671 Mk2 VTR

    #10 2nd September 2010, 18:29

    alot of hassle fitting the 98hp vtr engine to mk1s due to mk2s having 3 plug ecus.
    so you would have to swap every sensor.
    straight swap for 90hp engine although you will have to consider getting a disc rear beam
11. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #11 2nd September 2010, 18:42

    i think the drum rear beam would be fine my mate had a 16v 106 xsi with a drum beam and brembos on the front and it handled/stopped fine
12. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #12 2nd September 2010, 18:54

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jeffchiz i think the drum rear beam would be fine my mate had a 16v 106 xsi with a drum beam and brembos on the front and it handled/stopped fine

    Aye, front brakes do large majority of the work, unless you reverse alot
13. will22 Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 hertford Posts: 584 1999 1.4 silver westcoast

    #13 2nd September 2010, 19:23

    yeah i wont worry about changing the drum brakes i wouldnt mind doin a vts conversion just seems like more things can go wrong i saw a thread and it said u have to sort out the fuel return of something
14. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #14 5th September 2010, 21:58

    i never bothered fitting a fuel return i just blocked it off like a lot of people with 16v conversions