2.0 vts track day car???

8th September 2010, 20:33

Hi, i currently have a w plate 1.6 vts that i have been modifying and using for trackdays. My plan is to fit a 2.0 xsara vts engine to it over the winter. Has anyone out there done this, is it any eay fit, what should i look out for, etc,etc. ANY help/advice would be greatly appreciated.

8th September 2010, 20:35

Will be watching this thread

my mate fitted the exhaust mani off a C5 about as far as ive seen

8th September 2010, 20:36

search function will bring up loads of threads.

Its been done, is it something that fits in easy - Nope.

8th September 2010, 20:39

Not worth it.

Insanely expensive, will be stupidly heavy, won't handle anywhere near as well as having the 1.6. Will probably end up slower around most tracks.

If you're willing to spend that sort of money then I'd throw it into brakes & suspension personally. And what you've got spare spend on the 1.6

8th September 2010, 20:51

hi,thanks for the quick responses. have looked through the other threads as advised and i will now reconsider. will probably get a westfield/caterham type car for next spring. does anyone want to buy my saxo that has been murdered around teesside autodrome?

9th September 2010, 07:18

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Originally Posted by markhall123

hi,thanks for the quick responses. have looked through the other threads as advised and i will now reconsider. will probably get a westfield/caterham type car for next spring. does anyone want to buy my saxo that has been murdered around teesside autodrome?

What spec is the car ?

What car did you run before the saxo ?

9th September 2010, 08:47

It depends on how you want to do the mounts as to how much it will cost.
I dont think I spent more than £500 getting my engine and gearbox fitted. Thats with two custom front mounts so I can fit different engines, an upper gearbox mount and two lower mounts. They are solid mounts though as I cannot have any movement due to the gearbox.

9th September 2010, 14:59

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Originally Posted by jonathon5

What spec is the car ?

What car did you run before the saxo ?

hi, spec as follows;
induction kit
straight thro exhaust with backbox (decat pipe)
lowered
rear gas shox
standard wheels with brand new yokohamas 15"
cobra race seats
securon 4 point harnesses
stripped interior (no back seats, shelf, etc) but i have it all in shed
grooved front discs and green stuff pads
has done 90k
10m MOT 4m TAX
it is very fast and handles brilliantly. i drove a standard vts today and it felt REALLY tame compared to mine
with regard to second question. this is my first season with a track car and i have only used this one twice but there are no more evening trackday events at teesside due to the nights drawing in and i work during the week so cannot attend the friday daytime meets.

9th September 2010, 15:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by markhall123

hi, spec as follows;
induction kit
straight thro exhaust with backbox (decat pipe)
lowered
rear gas shox
standard wheels with brand new yokohamas 15"
cobra race seats
securon 4 point harnesses
stripped interior (no back seats, shelf, etc) but i have it all in shed
grooved front discs and green stuff pads
has done 90k
10m MOT 4m TAX
it is very fast and handles brilliantly. i drove a standard vts today and it felt REALLY tame compared to mine
with regard to second question. this is my first season with a track car and i have only used this one twice but there are no more evening trackday events at teesside due to the nights drawing in and i work during the week so cannot attend the friday daytime meets.

I thought I recognised your last name from a teesside trackday I did last november 20th, but I thought you had another car.

9th September 2010, 15:25

There is a bloke on RetroRides selling a GTi-6 engined 205 for £1650. Might be worth having a look at that if you want to go down this route.

9th September 2010, 16:43

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Originally Posted by Mr_P

won't handle anywhere near as well as having the 1.6

Is this a guess or have you had experience with a 2.0 Saxo?

I personally don't think it would make much of a difference, the car will need higher poundage spring rates of course.

Edit: and I would stitch weld the seams in the engine bay too.

9th September 2010, 17:00

Mi-16 alloy block would be the one to use as it's around 20kgs lighter. Harder to find a decent lump tho!

9th September 2010, 17:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mieran

Is this a guess or have you had experience with a 2.0 Saxo?

I personally don't think it would make much of a difference, the car will need higher poundage spring rates of course.

guess imo, i say do it. needs to be more people with the balls to do stuff like this instead of the odd 1 or 2.

9th September 2010, 17:15

agree williams, cant people use their imagination in the french car scene lol..

if i was fitting a 2.0 n/a it certainly wouldnt be a gti-6/xsara vts motor though.

9th September 2010, 17:21

I've researched this transplant reasonably well, if you go to somewhere like pug1off it'll be about 5k..

I feel you only need a few bits, most of which are able to be found on ebay or at the scrappy.
The only real fabrication required is the drivers side engine mount iirc.
Seems they are able to be ran on the standard management using 205 gti drive shafts, the weight difference is only about 20-25ks over the standard 1.6, im not sure how that equates with regards to general balance tho, ie that 20kg could be equivalent to 50kg if at a certain pivot point as such.
The actual dead weight can be balanced out with a little relocation ie battery to the boot.
You do however need to lose the PAS i believe as fouls the engine, i assume this is the same for the MI16 engine too but purely a guess

9th September 2010, 21:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannygti

agree williams, cant people use their imagination in the french car scene lol..

if i was fitting a 2.0 n/a it certainly wouldnt be a gti-6/xsara vts motor though.

hahahahaha

danny boy!! you know the score with the french posse theres 4 standard answers to every tuning question

Q- i want a bit more go..
A- catcam 708`s, filter, zorst, remap

Q- i want to be quick..
A- bodies, big cams, standalone, high comps

Q- i want to be really quick and have heard GMC are good
A- supercharge it

Q- i want to beat scoobies
A- turbo it

now... all of the above answers contain 1 key factor.. the 16v 1600 TU engine as a base engine...

like you say theres no scope for alternatives.. and anyone contemplating anything different will be told various "facts" circulated around the internet by people who have heard it from "a-mate-whos-mate-told-them-about-a-guy-down-the-pub-who-knows-a-guy-with"....

i wont even bother listing the alternatives i`ve researched at over the past few years (so much time in scrapyards measuring engines/gearboxes/manifolds) but suffice to say theres a LOT of other engines that WILL FIT and can be made to produce a hell of a lot more go than a gti/vts lump...

the big issue seems to be all the ones that have been done in the past have either been thrown in and left standard resulting in a margainal (if any) gain or have had cheap suspension fitted that was originally designed for the TU resulting in a wallowy ride.....

sorry to bore you but the french scene is blinkered imo...

9th September 2010, 21:28

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Originally Posted by Mr_P

Not worth it.

Insanely expensive, will be stupidly heavy, won't handle anywhere near as well as having the 1.6. Will probably end up slower around most tracks.

If you're willing to spend that sort of money then I'd throw it into brakes & suspension personally. And what you've got spare spend on the 1.6

Flaming nora where does this information come from?