LED Indicators

1. MikeyW Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2009 Plymouth Posts: 2584 E91 330D

   #1 10th September 2010, 14:36

   Bought some LED Indicator bulbs from ebay, they are definitely the correct fitment.
   
   When I swap the rear bulbs over, the hazards work perfectly fine but then when I indicate they go really quick as if the relay has gone. And then when I try the front bulbs, they don't even light at all. As soon as I put the standard bulbs back in they work fine.
   
   Any help would be appreciated.
2. MunkyBoy Established Member Joined: Nov 2009 Maldon Posts: 2033 1. MK2 Chalked VT'd 1.1 2. MK1 VTS

   #2 10th September 2010, 14:39

   I had some led rear tail lights. They were shit. Cheap chinese rubbish and caused me no end of problem, ended up getting rid and putting standard bulbs back in!
   
   I know this isn't a solution as such, but my thoughts
3. lisavts Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2004 Stocksbridge, Sheffield Posts: 182 Mercury Grey VTS 1998

   #3 10th September 2010, 19:51

   they flash fast to tell you a bulb out normally, so 1 could have been loose
4. user_25927 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2008 East Devon Posts: 7472 Clio RS200 Cup, Twingo RS133, Triumph Street Tripl

   #4 10th September 2010, 19:55

   1) Check that the baseplate is not corroded
   2) check the bulb is in correctly ie the right way some may have a pin slightly higher up the bulb than the other
   
   as above its to tell you the system is not functioning correctly
5. MikeyW Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2009 Plymouth Posts: 2584 E91 330D

   #5 11th September 2010, 03:36

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by MunkyBoy I had some led rear tail lights. They were shit. Cheap chinese rubbish and caused me no end of problem, ended up getting rid and putting standard bulbs back in! I know this isn't a solution as such, but my thoughts

   Already made the mistake of buying cheap Chinese ones that were pap, bought some decent English made ones, that were a million times brighter (when I had hazards on lol) and better quality.
   
   

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Jordysport 1) Check that the baseplate is not corroded 2) check the bulb is in correctly ie the right way some may have a pin slightly higher up the bulb than the other as above its to tell you the system is not functioning correctly

   I tried the bulbs all different kinds of ways, but as you probs know they are offset pins so only really fit one way anyways.
   
   That wouldn't be the reason for them not even working at all on the front though ? Or working when I turn the hazards on but not when indicating.
6. Tontsy Saxperience Addict Joined: Oct 2008 Plymouth, Fiddling - under a two poster ramp Posts: 14064 Audi

   #6 11th September 2010, 08:43

   You need a new relay...
   Because of the flow rate, is differeent to standard bulbs, a different timed relay will sort it out!
   
   Same as me as ive got led ones to go on zee bike and had to get another relat to fix the problem!
   How you will know which one to get, i haz no idea!
   
   
   P.s. Clean my fucking bike!
7. user_46471 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2010 burton on trent Posts: 239 v plate vtr silver

   #7 11th September 2010, 13:57

   you need to fit a resistor into the pos going to the led indicator as the circuit thinks a bulb has blown due to less current being used
   
   to check what i mean get a standard bulb in a holder and link that up as well and the indicator will flash at the normal speed
8. MikeyW Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2009 Plymouth Posts: 2584 E91 330D

   #8 11th September 2010, 14:25

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by tonto_VTR You need a new relay... Because of the flow rate, is differeent to standard bulbs, a different timed relay will sort it out! Same as me as ive got led ones to go on zee bike and had to get another relat to fix the problem! How you will know which one to get, i haz no idea! P.s. Clean my fucking bike!

   Coopers won't have a clue will they ?!?!
   
   I can clean it whenever your just a lazy ass and decides not to ring me lol
   
   

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by carl300367 you need to fit a resistor into the pos going to the led indicator as the circuit thinks a bulb has blown due to less current being used to check what i mean get a standard bulb in a holder and link that up as well and the indicator will flash at the normal speed

   Any idea what size resistor I need ?
9. user_46471 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2010 burton on trent Posts: 239 v plate vtr silver

   #9 11th September 2010, 15:30

   i think this is what you need
   http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m_guide:2&rd=1
   
   or one of these
   
   http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LED-FLASHER-FL...item587f98864c
10. MikeyW Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2009 Plymouth Posts: 2584 E91 330D

    #10 11th September 2010, 22:36

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by carl300367 i think this is what you need http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m_guide:2&rd=1 or one of these http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LED-FLASHER-FL...item587f98864c

    Ta mate, you reckon it's worth buying just the relay as I don't really want to install 4 resistors.
11. user_32900 North West Joined: Apr 2009 Warrington, Cheshire Posts: 5733 PH2 Peugeot 106 "race" car - Currently in pieces

    #11 11th September 2010, 22:41

    You need the LEDS with canbus resistors in them to "fool" the ecu or whatever that it has the correct resistance bulbs in them. Therres a guy on here selling them for about £4 a set.
12. MikeyW Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2009 Plymouth Posts: 2584 E91 330D

    #12 12th September 2010, 00:37

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Alanapone You need the LEDS with canbus resistors in them to "fool" the ecu or whatever that it has the correct resistance bulbs in them. Therres a guy on here selling them for about £4 a set.

    It's not sidelights dude, it's indicators.
13. user_32900 North West Joined: Apr 2009 Warrington, Cheshire Posts: 5733 PH2 Peugeot 106 "race" car - Currently in pieces

    #13 12th September 2010, 11:02

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MikeyW It's not sidelights dude, it's indicators.

    yeah, same setup though isn't it? the relay circuit is looking for the correct resistance to make the indicators flash at the correct speed. reduce the resistance and they'll flash faster... that's what they used to do, I'm sure these would be the same.
14. MikeyW Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2009 Plymouth Posts: 2584 E91 330D

    #14 12th September 2010, 13:29

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Alanapone yeah, same setup though isn't it? the relay circuit is looking for the correct resistance to make the indicators flash at the correct speed. reduce the resistance and they'll flash faster... that's what they used to do, I'm sure these would be the same.

    Yeah I presume so, I don't wanna be spending 15 quid or so on a relay and then it still not working. Or buying and installing a resistor to each bleedy bulb.
15. Tontsy Saxperience Addict Joined: Oct 2008 Plymouth, Fiddling - under a two poster ramp Posts: 14064 Audi

    #15 12th September 2010, 13:52

    Its a relay you need... But im better knowing my bike electrics rather than saxos lol...i can try and find out what you need or have it made up even! But dont know the price dude...
    
    Get the relay try it, and man up boyo!
16. MikeyW Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2009 Plymouth Posts: 2584 E91 330D

    #16 12th September 2010, 15:55

    Get me the relay then ball sack. My bro reckons it's just the relay I need aswelllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.
17. MikeyW Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2009 Plymouth Posts: 2584 E91 330D

    #17 16th September 2010, 23:21

    Relay didn't work, fronts still not lighting and rears still going crazy.
18. user_46471 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2010 burton on trent Posts: 239 v plate vtr silver

    #18 17th September 2010, 06:36

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MikeyW Relay didn't work, fronts still not lighting and rears still going crazy.

    pretty basic but have you tried taking the bulb out and rotating it 180 degrees as led bulbs only work when the pos and neg match the supply not like a standard bulb ?
19. user_31412 Established Member Joined: Feb 2009 ★ West / North Yorkshire ★ Posts: 1653

    #19 17th September 2010, 07:53

    Get yourself to Maplin and ask for 4 x 3 Watt Wirewound Resistor, about 2.2Ohm and get them soldered in parallel on the bulbs ... £1.88 later problem solved.
20. MikeyW Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2009 Plymouth Posts: 2584 E91 330D

    #20 17th September 2010, 15:14

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by carl300367 pretty basic but have you tried taking the bulb out and rotating it 180 degrees as led bulbs only work when the pos and neg match the supply not like a standard bulb ?

    The bulbs have offset pins so only go in one way anyways pal.
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by outrage_uk Get yourself to Maplin and ask for 4 x 3 Watt Wirewound Resistor, about 2.2Ohm and get them soldered in parallel on the bulbs ... £1.88 later problem solved.

    Cheers mate, my bro works for an electrical company I'll get him to steal some !