most power out of a VTR blacktop engine???

1. ben-ax-vtr Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 191 1.4 mk1 saxo west coast, ax vtr project, mk1 saxo

   #1 16th September 2010, 11:00

   as above.. whats the most tht could be got out of one?
   
   and what mods would need to be done?
   
   and how much extra BHP will each mod add?
   
   cheers..
2. Carlvtr88 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 5801 1.1 106 XN Time, MK2 VTR 01. Ford Focus ST3 CP320

   #2 16th September 2010, 14:54

   You could prob get a decent amount out of one but this is why people say get a vts.
   
   I dont know exact figures but for example if you spend £1500 on mods for a VTR... and the same for the S Your clearly going to have way more power out the 16 v engine.
   
   The amount of times ive heard people say i wish i never spend the dough on my VTR is mad. Not knockin anyone who has modded their R by the way. I have an Full system on mine i just not sure whether i want to spend any more because i know that with the money to get it to 120+BHP i could probably sell my R and get myself a tidy vtS and insure it...
3. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

   #3 16th September 2010, 15:00

   this is a pointless thread you could spend anything on your car and get almost any bhp figure ud want!
   we could tell you how to spend £10k on your engine and get 400bhp , but im guessing that would be a complete waste of time.
   
   instead why dont you ask what you can get with your budget??
   
   also bhp figures arent clear cut at all, i dont mod my engine to get a certain bhp figure i do it to make it more enjoyable no matter what the bloody bhp figure is
4. SaxoMuffin Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Reading Posts: 2045 iTB'd MK2 VTR

   #4 16th September 2010, 15:10

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by jeffchiz this is a pointless thread you could spend anything on your car and get almost any bhp figure ud want! we could tell you how to spend £10k on your engine and get 400bhp , but im guessing that would be a complete waste of time. instead why dont you ask what you can get with your budget?? also bhp figures arent clear cut at all, i dont mod my engine to get a certain bhp figure i do it to make it more enjoyable no matter what the bloody bhp figure is

   This is the correct mentality you modify your cars for pleasure I assume and a BHP alone does not make me have more of a smile on my face... I mean if you had the chance to drive your car as it is around say an empty nurburgring that would be a pretty awesome day no matter how fast you can go round the freaking thing.....
5. Lewis1600 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2009 Los Anglesey Posts: 3416 Ibiza Sport TDI / MK1 VTS

   #5 16th September 2010, 15:27

   How long is a peice of string??
   
   If you want some extra BHP's get a full system.. 4 branch-centre-backbox
   
   
6. Cammy Established Member Joined: Jul 2009 Aberdeen Posts: 2211

   #6 16th September 2010, 15:27

   BHP dosent mean much, you could have a saxo with 450 bhp and on a quatermile, a 300 BHP saxo would beat it all day long except if it was on a huge long straight (i.e a mile)
   
   Small car with lots of BHP just means wheelspinning till like what? 4th gear, whereas one with a little less would be able to get the traction down no problem, say.. wheelspinning till start of third
7. hard_corejoeboy Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2007 Southend, Essex/Thetford, Norfolk Posts: 4203 Seat Mii Toca/VW Polo Gti 6c 1.8 turbo

   #7 16th September 2010, 15:50

   Kept with an Evo X the other day on a nice stretch of road with roundabouts he pulled away on the straights i caught him with late braking coming up to roundabouts all over him like a backpack on the roundabouts and so on and so forth...That thing has over 200 bhp more than my car yet it didn't get away. Power is nothing without control and power is nothing without control and a decent driver LOL
8. Newtz07 Established Member Joined: May 2009 Manchester Posts: 1778 Mk4 Fezzy, Mango Westie, Fezzy Zetec y0!, Saxo VTR

   #8 16th September 2010, 15:52

   Yer, its all well and good having a gazillion BHP... but if you cant put it down then its no use.
   
   your best off going for an all aspects option.
   
   full system= backbox, centre, mani
   
   Apex Lowering kit
   
   full struts
   
   nice set of Toyo Proxies!
   
   and your set!
9. hard_corejoeboy Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2007 Southend, Essex/Thetford, Norfolk Posts: 4203 Seat Mii Toca/VW Polo Gti 6c 1.8 turbo

   #9 16th September 2010, 15:55

   I'd go for Bilstein b8's, faulkner 155ib springs, top and bottom strut braces,powerflex rear beam mounts, carbon lorraine pads, braided lines, dot 5.1 and a decent set of tyres.
   Don't get toyo's though they only have a load rating of 78 and that makes them flex a lot with a setup like this.
   
   If you get these bits maybe with some lightweight wheels the handling is EPIC
10. LWS_71 Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2009 Kent Posts: 752 A written off mini

    #10 16th September 2010, 15:58

    I'd say once fully modded you could expect a VTR to make at least 98bhp.

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11. hard_corejoeboy Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2007 Southend, Essex/Thetford, Norfolk Posts: 4203 Seat Mii Toca/VW Polo Gti 6c 1.8 turbo

    #11 16th September 2010, 16:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LWS_71 I'd say once fully modded you could expect a VTR to make at least 98bhp.

    LOL
12. axsaxoman Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380

    #12 16th September 2010, 16:17

    full race 8v can get around 170 bhp
    with boost over 200 --but the real question is how much do you want to put into this car
13. sudds Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2010 Leeds Posts: 105 S2 Pugeot 106 Rallye, 2003 Pugeot 106 Quicksilver

    #13 16th September 2010, 16:39

    Get dot 5.1 brake fluid to dissolve the seals in your breaks......
14. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #14 16th September 2010, 17:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy I'd go for Bilstein b8's, faulkner 155ib springs, top and bottom strut braces,powerflex rear beam mounts, carbon lorraine pads, braided lines, dot 5.1 and a decent set of tyres. Don't get toyo's though they only have a load rating of 78 and that makes them flex a lot with a setup like this. If you get these bits maybe with some lightweight wheels the handling is EPIC

    nice setup. Though look at the temperature rating of the brake fluid rather than if its Dot 4 or 5.1 etc. I think people often forget the fun in these cars is mostly in the handling. Even my 106 van can bring entertainment...
    With a raceland manifold and our exhaust a few customers have got 13-15bhp on the VTR's which is pretty good going. I think they dont have well designed manifolds as standard...
15. hard_corejoeboy Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2007 Southend, Essex/Thetford, Norfolk Posts: 4203 Seat Mii Toca/VW Polo Gti 6c 1.8 turbo

    #15 16th September 2010, 17:28

    It is a nice setup they were bought off you lol

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16. ben-ax-vtr Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 191 1.4 mk1 saxo west coast, ax vtr project, mk1 saxo

    #16 17th September 2010, 23:37

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jeffchiz this is a pointless thread you could spend anything on your car and get almost any bhp figure ud want! we could tell you how to spend £10k on your engine and get 400bhp , but im guessing that would be a complete waste of time. instead why dont you ask what you can get with your budget?? also bhp figures arent clear cut at all, i dont mod my engine to get a certain bhp figure i do it to make it more enjoyable no matter what the bloody bhp figure is

    i mean with in reason!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!
    
    thts u tho...!
    
    
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Lewis1600 How long is a peice of string?? If you want some extra BHP's get a full system.. 4 branch-centre-backbox

    ok, got decat/ straight through and backbox..
    cheers..
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by C18VTR BHP dosent mean much, you could have a saxo with 450 bhp and on a quatermile, a 300 BHP saxo would beat it all day long except if it was on a huge long straight (i.e a mile) Small car with lots of BHP just means wheelspinning till like what? 4th gear, whereas one with a little less would be able to get the traction down no problem, say.. wheelspinning till start of third

    im vtr'ing an ax tho!!! (power to weight!! )
    so what shud i do it a vtr engine soos as not to get to much power then, but a deacent amount!!???
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy Kept with an Evo X the other day on a nice stretch of road with roundabouts he pulled away on the straights i caught him with late braking coming up to roundabouts all over him like a backpack on the roundabouts and so on and so forth...That thing has over 200 bhp more than my car yet it didn't get away. Power is nothing without control and power is nothing without control and a decent driver LOL

    hahahah..ok
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Newtz07 Yer, its all well and good having a gazillion BHP... but if you cant put it down then its no use. your best off going for an all aspects option. full system= backbox, centre, mani Apex Lowering kit full struts nice set of Toyo Proxies! and your set!

    ok..
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LWS_71 I'd say once fully modded you could expect a VTR to make at least 98bhp.

    ha int it tht standard!!!!!???!
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by axsaxoman full race 8v can get around 170 bhp with boost over 200 --but the real question is how much do you want to put into this car

    cheers! guessin tht costs alot tho!? lol.
17. hard_corejoeboy Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2007 Southend, Essex/Thetford, Norfolk Posts: 4203 Seat Mii Toca/VW Polo Gti 6c 1.8 turbo

    #17 18th September 2010, 10:34

    lol you clearly need to see my minerals in this car..
18. ben-ax-vtr Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 191 1.4 mk1 saxo west coast, ax vtr project, mk1 saxo

    #18 20th September 2010, 22:50

    what???
19. french_baguette Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 Stoke on Trent Posts: 523 Mk1 VTS Nissan 350z

    #19 20th September 2010, 23:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by C18VTR BHP dosent mean much, you could have a saxo with 450 bhp and on a quatermile, a 300 BHP saxo would beat it all day long except if it was on a huge long straight (i.e a mile) Small car with lots of BHP just means wheelspinning till like what? 4th gear, whereas one with a little less would be able to get the traction down no problem, say.. wheelspinning till start of third

    
    Or a driver with some talent.
20. ben-ax-vtr Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 191 1.4 mk1 saxo west coast, ax vtr project, mk1 saxo

    #20 20th September 2010, 23:05

    lol...
21. Lewis1600 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2009 Los Anglesey Posts: 3416 Ibiza Sport TDI / MK1 VTS

    #21 21st September 2010, 09:50

    Soo you got a de-cat and a centre and a back box.... Next on the list - Manifold..
    
    Than Cams! ok...?
22. ben-ax-vtr Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 191 1.4 mk1 saxo west coast, ax vtr project, mk1 saxo

    #22 22nd September 2010, 22:57

    haha ok.. lol cheers mate..