Mk1 vtr, what to do next?

1. user_45999 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2010 Essex Posts: 841 Citroen Saxo VTS

   #1 16th September 2010, 16:44

   Looking to get my VTR a bit quicker, so far I've had it lowered 60mm all round, stripped out apart from front two seats (including carpet, sound proofing etc), straight through exhaust and 4-2-1 manifold. Kind of lost as to how to make it quicker without spending a fortune on throttle bodies or something stupid. any suggestions? all opinions welcome
2. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

   #2 16th September 2010, 17:15

   well youve done breathing mods, so the next step is cams, headwork and a remap
3. adamm Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 4004

   #3 16th September 2010, 17:54

   rarther than doing the above id rarther put a 16valve engine in as 120bhp in a vtr is going to cost alot to achieve id imagine but if you could do the work yourself 500 quid for a full 16v engine and away you go mate.
4. user_45999 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2010 Essex Posts: 841 Citroen Saxo VTS

   #4 16th September 2010, 18:05

   i was thinking about a VTS conversion but have no idea what all the costs would be, or any idea where to start with it all lol. Looking to get it remapped on payday jeff so looking forward to that, will it make much of a difference? Kinda thinking about selling the vtr and saving for VTS haha
5. user_45999 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2010 Essex Posts: 841 Citroen Saxo VTS

   #5 16th September 2010, 18:09

   p.s. bit retarded but what is headwork exactly?
6. user_37194 Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 rotherham Posts: 1832 Be scirocco, full on 03plate track spec Saxo

   #6 16th September 2010, 18:11

   Mapping it, waste of money tbh
7. user_45999 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2010 Essex Posts: 841 Citroen Saxo VTS

   #7 16th September 2010, 18:14

   whys that mark mate?
8. user_37194 Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 rotherham Posts: 1832 Be scirocco, full on 03plate track spec Saxo

   #8 16th September 2010, 18:15

   Head work is exspensive, you remove your head send it somewherelike hoflow heads, they rebore the ports on it ext also can have bigger valves very very expensive
9. user_45999 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2010 Essex Posts: 841 Citroen Saxo VTS

   #9 16th September 2010, 18:16

   how much we looking at mark? ballpark figure?
10. user_37194 Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 rotherham Posts: 1832 Be scirocco, full on 03plate track spec Saxo

    #10 16th September 2010, 18:20

    For head work, hoflow heads start at 360quid iicr... Will also need new hg and hg bolts another 60, also may aswell do timing belt water pump whilts heads off. If u don't wona 16v it, cam it, about 170, then u could always have tht mapped.
11. user_45999 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2010 Essex Posts: 841 Citroen Saxo VTS

    #11 16th September 2010, 18:26

    i wanna 16v it but does that mean i basically need a vts engine put in it? so really for all that i'm looking at £500, not as bad as i was expecting haha cheers for the info though mate!
12. user_37194 Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 rotherham Posts: 1832 Be scirocco, full on 03plate track spec Saxo

    #12 16th September 2010, 18:32

    16v it!, you need, complete engine, loom, unlocked ecu, idealy a vts gear box or sports box, and a 16v top rad pipe
13. user_45999 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2010 Essex Posts: 841 Citroen Saxo VTS

    #13 16th September 2010, 18:34

    jesus, would probably work out a tad more expensive wouldnt it? lol what you got?
14. user_37194 Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 rotherham Posts: 1832 Be scirocco, full on 03plate track spec Saxo

    #14 16th September 2010, 18:42

    Nope, can get all what I mentioned above fir 350
    quid mate. Me? I have cammed itbs ect on a vts check my thread out, also your 4-2-1 won't fit a vts block
15. user_45999 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2010 Essex Posts: 841 Citroen Saxo VTS

    #15 16th September 2010, 18:49

    ahh poo. where dyu reckon i can get all these bits from? is there certain companies that would do it all for me etc?
16. 3cott Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2008 Rotherham Posts: 4614 Black mk2 vts

    #16 16th September 2010, 18:52

    DON'T USE HIFLOW HEADS FOR HEAD WORK!!!!
    
    It's a no brainer 16v it or BOOOOST
17. user_45999 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2010 Essex Posts: 841 Citroen Saxo VTS

    #17 16th September 2010, 18:57

    only thing is, I have to drive this to work everyday and fuel consumption will be a bitch if I cam it lol. where can I get it cammed cz i have no idea how to do all this myself? any advice or if someone can send me a link to somewhere would be appreciated lol
18. user_37194 Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 rotherham Posts: 1832 Be scirocco, full on 03plate track spec Saxo

    #18 16th September 2010, 19:01

    Try mandyslover on here for conversion parts, and ppl tht are breaking vts in for sale section.
    
    Was just using hoflow heads as example as they have a decent site to have look at prices ect
19. user_45999 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2010 Essex Posts: 841 Citroen Saxo VTS

    #19 16th September 2010, 19:04

    will do man, i'll do a little bit of research for all the bits i'll need and have a butchers around on here, cheers guys!
20. 3cott Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2008 Rotherham Posts: 4614 Black mk2 vts

    #20 16th September 2010, 19:07

    Try this guy
    http://www.saxperience.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=130
21. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #21 16th September 2010, 19:17

    i did my 16v conversion for £300
22. user_45999 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2010 Essex Posts: 841 Citroen Saxo VTS

    #22 16th September 2010, 19:18

    did you do it all yourself jeff? I'm not very hands on when it comes to cars so not too sure what I need etc to do it all properly, hence this thread lol.
23. Andrewz Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Orpington, Kent Posts: 340 Posi Blue VTR/S

    #23 16th September 2010, 20:09

    Brad
    I was in the same postion as you a couple of weeks ago, thinking about what ill need to do to get more speed power etc.
    
    So i went for a 16v lump. i paid 400quid it come with
    1/engine
    2/inlet and exhaust manifolds and downpipe
    3/starter and alternator
    4/single plug wiring loom
    5/un-locked ECU
    6/radiator with cooling hoses
    7/cooling fan assembly
    8/throttle cable
    9/vts gearbox
    
    then my mechanic charged me 100quid for the conversion! once it was in it started first time on the key.
    
    best 500quid iv ever spent
24. user_45999 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2010 Essex Posts: 841 Citroen Saxo VTS

    #24 16th September 2010, 20:11

    ahhh mate that is exactly what i need lol, where did you get it from mate? PM me and we can have a chat lol
25. user_37194 Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 rotherham Posts: 1832 Be scirocco, full on 03plate track spec Saxo

    #25 16th September 2010, 22:51

    tbh anyone doing conversion for 100, is either dodge as shit or need there head looking at.
26. user_45999 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2010 Essex Posts: 841 Citroen Saxo VTS

    #26 17th September 2010, 13:41

    afternoon bump
27. user_45999 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2010 Essex Posts: 841 Citroen Saxo VTS

    #27 17th September 2010, 18:28

    bumpppppp
28. DAZZY_R Infrequent Poster Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 149

    #28 17th September 2010, 20:00

    id vts it , you can get the engine , lume cheap now , an i was speakin to someone today they rekon they got 16 bhp out of a vts with a remap thats with a new mani and an air filter true ? , i dont know lol
29. user_45999 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2010 Essex Posts: 841 Citroen Saxo VTS

    #29 17th September 2010, 20:48

    yeh dazzy_r im going to look at a VTS lump on sunday as get paid on monday so will see what happens with that one. Just got to find someone that can fit it now!
30. Andrewz Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Orpington, Kent Posts: 340 Posi Blue VTR/S

    #30 19th September 2010, 16:40

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mark1311 tbh anyone doing conversion for 100, is either dodge as shit or need there head looking at.

    The mechanic was a good pal of my’n so was done as a fav. Personally I think he done a fantastic job. Everything works as it should, no rattling etc
    So tbh you can’t go wrong.
31. user_45999 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2010 Essex Posts: 841 Citroen Saxo VTS

    #31 19th September 2010, 16:45

    Andrewz you reckon your mate could sort me out with the conversion? Ask him how much he would do it for etc? And how long did it take to fit it mate?
32. Andrewz Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Orpington, Kent Posts: 340 Posi Blue VTR/S

    #32 19th September 2010, 16:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bradtate ahhh mate that is exactly what i need lol, where did you get it from mate? PM me and we can have a chat lol

    I got it from jason on ebay http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/saxo.parts/
    
    I think he said hes on this forum as it goes, your best bet is to email him, thats what i done and he was a big help as he deals with breaking saxo's.
    
    Im in kent if your close i can have a word with my mechanic, he'll prob charge around £150-£200 just takes a phone call.
    
    my msn is karl_andrews@hotmail.co.uk if ya wanna add me
33. user_45999 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2010 Essex Posts: 841 Citroen Saxo VTS

    #33 19th September 2010, 17:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Andrewz I got it from jason on ebay http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/saxo.parts/ I think he said hes on this forum as it goes, your best bet is to email him, thats what i done and he was a big help as he deals with breaking saxo's. Im in kent if your close i can have a word with my mechanic, he'll prob charge around £150-£200 just takes a phone call. my msn is karl_andrews@hotmail.co.uk if ya wanna add me

    I'll add you now mate, havn't used MSN since I was about 12 so may take me a while to figure it out
34. adamm Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 4004

    #34 19th September 2010, 17:39

    il pm yu with a pm that was sent to me about prices mate is very usefull
    not sure if the person still does them but il send it anyway