106 rallie gearbox

16th September 2010, 23:21

ive been told that if i put a 106 rallie gear box in my vtr i will have rapid exhilaration but it will top out about 98mph is this ture cheers

16th September 2010, 23:23

You will indeed have much better accelaration, the revs will climb much more quickly due to the shorter ratios, however top end will be a lot less, around the 110 -120 mph mark

16th September 2010, 23:42

would you say its worth me doing it i just want it to be diffornt and theres nowhere around by me to speed realy so accelaration would be mint off the lights lol

17th September 2010, 00:24

I'm planning on putting a rallye box on my VTS soon, that will be rapid acceleration there

17th September 2010, 00:28

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Originally Posted by shaun330

would you say its worth me doing it i just want it to be diffornt and theres nowhere around by me to speed realy so accelaration would be mint off the lights lol

and we have a boyracer....

but yes definately worth it, i am looking for one!!! and loads on here have done it.

17th September 2010, 00:28

well my vtr is remaped chipped ecu loads of bits batters my mates polo gti but he holds with me a lil at traffic lights so i just wanna waste him lol

17th September 2010, 00:29

as i said above in my swift edit.... definately worth getting one!

17th September 2010, 00:30

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Originally Posted by jayyoung

and we have a boyracer....

but yes definately worth it, i am looking for one!!! and loads on here have done it.

nah don't race all the time thats just silly but its ok to have a bit of fun now and then right?

17th September 2010, 00:49

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Originally Posted by shaun330

nah don't race all the time thats just silly but its ok to have a bit of fun now and then right?

nope never had any fun in my car

17th September 2010, 07:25

It the final drive which has less teeth, so will spin at a faster rate, which will allow the engine to rev faster.

It all down to the final drive.

17th September 2010, 07:28

I have a s1 on my tb vts, 5th, at 6,500 rpm, it at 105 mph.

17th September 2010, 10:25

My vts tops out at 115 with s1 box.

17th September 2010, 11:14

That standard rev limit I guess,

17th September 2010, 11:45

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Originally Posted by AndySAXO

That standard rev limit I guess,

Pretty much but i havent got a rev limiter as ecu unlocked and dont have one.

17th September 2010, 11:54

1.1 box not a cheaper option ? or is that not worth it?

17th September 2010, 12:08

also the 1.4 XSI gearbox has similar ratio's but can be found at a cheaper price

17th September 2010, 12:34

I was always told to use a 1.1 box by a lot of the rally boys. Ok, they don't have sport ratios like XSI, Rallye, VTS etc, and have a weaker diff, but if your not doing burnouts every day it will be plenty strong enough. You won't feel a massive difference between both boxes, not enough to warrant another £200+ anyway. Most track cars I personally know of all use the 1.1 boxes, even running 190bhp+ through them as they are majorly cheap and help if your on a budget. But then again they are running quaife diffs so the diff size won't matter to them.

Plus you will be able to go through 5 or 6 1.1 boxes for the price of an S1 Rallye Box!

17th September 2010, 12:39

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Originally Posted by Harv

I was always told to use a 1.1 box by a lot of the rally boys. Ok, they don't have sport ratios like XSI, Rallye, VTS etc, and have a weaker diff, but if your not doing burnouts every day it will be plenty strong enough. You won't feel a massive difference between both boxes, not enough to warrant another £200+ anyway. Most track cars I personally know of all use the 1.1 boxes, even running 190bhp+ through them as they are majorly cheap and help if your on a budget. But then again they are running quaife diffs so the diff size won't matter to them.

Plus you will be able to go through 5 or 6 1.1 boxes for the price of an S1 Rallye Box!

exactly! aren't the ratios similar? and if you shove a quaife in it you can just bulk buy a shitload of boxes and transfer the diff as and when? but then again, i dont know boxes, so wouldn't it be easier to get the internals and keep your own bellhousing?

17th September 2010, 22:30

The 1.1 box uses the same final drive as the 1400 xsi box, I know because my gearbox on my vtr was a mutant built xsi box built from 3 gearboxes by mankee

He used a vtr casing, 16v sports gear cluster, and a 1.1 final drive thus making it the equivalent to an xsi box, well it was on basically, and on my vtr it was a great box to use, I'd say the 1400 xsi box would be better to use than an s1 rallye box.

But if you don't mind sitting at 4k rpm just over in 5th when cruising at 70mph then go for it, also since the vtr has a wank rev limited set at 6200 it also meant a top speed of 115mph which accidntly hit once because it just pulls so hard to the longer in every gear, and adding the came that I did create a beast lol

But yer depending on what you are after then the xsi/rallye boxs depending on which ones you get will improve acceleration but decrease the friendly drivability, as you sit further up the rev range doing lower speeds, but as a plus you get to the speed you want quicker lol. I'd say the s2/1600xsi box are the best out of them all for a good all rounder, I've run a 1400xsi box and a 16v box and an s2 rallye box and I have to say I'm very happy with the s2

Also as Harv said the 1.1 box is good and a cheap option but you will need to change the drive shafts to 1.1 shafts too as they are different lengths

Ps sorry for the essay lol

17th September 2010, 22:43

cheers lads the 1.1 bx sounds like a lot off work tbh ive been offerd a s2 rallye box tonight so mite go for that as it cheap

17th September 2010, 23:42

Yer the s2 box will be a vast improvement over the vtr standard gearbox you will be suprised tbh

Plus it's a straight swap, everything can be reused unlike the 1.1 which means you have to change driveshafts. So yer go for the s2 box since your mate has one. Check the code on the gearbox though and make sure it is definatly a s2 rallye box

18th September 2010, 09:34

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Originally Posted by vtr_chris90

Also as Harv said the 1.1 box is good and a cheap option but you will need to change the drive shafts to 1.1 shafts too as they are different lengths

Ps sorry for the essay lol

really?

then how come mine fitted and everyone elses thats done it?

18th September 2010, 11:11

Well they will fit, but it is advised to change the shafts

The 1.1 and other lower grade boxs use a smaller diff, and the driveshafts are longer, and the shafts from the sport range boxs are slightly shorter due to the bigger diff, so they won't sit exactly right

So it wil work, but for how long who knows, and I you search there have actually been a few misshaps with wrong driveshafts and 1.1 boxs, I know db_sax had a problem with his and so did someone else cnt remember who

18th September 2010, 13:50

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Originally Posted by vtr_chris90

Well they will fit, but it is advised to change the shafts

The 1.1 and other lower grade boxs use a smaller diff, and the driveshafts are longer, and the shafts from the sport range boxs are slightly shorter due to the bigger diff, so they won't sit exactly right

So it wil work, but for how long who knows, and I you search there have actually been a few misshaps with wrong driveshafts and 1.1 boxs, I know db_sax had a problem with his and so did someone else cnt remember who

other way around mate, driveshafts are slightly shorter and skinnier on a 1.1. so 1.1 shafts into a vtr/s/xsi etc box will piss oil, and the other way its a snug fit

i've heard of the problems, but most people make out that you HAVE to have 1.1 shafts, and then finding ones to fit is a nightmare as aren't most 1.1s flat faced shafts? plus no intermediate bearing!

18th September 2010, 20:53

Ok well overall they may be shorter then, but the part that goes into the box is longer, from the splines to the bearing/where the seal sits, that's the bit I meant, as I had a furio shaft, and compared it to a vtr one and it was longer, and when fitted into say a vtr/vts/rallye box etc etc it won't sit in properly which is what causes the oil pissing out and a horrible noise
I guessed the 1.1 shafts would be the same since they are both small diff'ed boxs, but could have been wrong

Hmm I duno about them all being flat faced shafts though, I'm pretty sure they are only flat faced up to 99/2000 then tapered from then onwards, so that shouldn't be a problem, it's just the lengths that differ, and possibly thickness then